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Old 11-05-2004, 01:35 PM   #29
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The rating for most any model 3/4 or 1 ton PU is 20,000 pounds -- that is the CGVWR ---- truck plus rating of trailer. Note the total amount is under the magic number of 26,000 pounds. You can drive any PU with just a regular drivers license in any state.

If the vehicle has a GCVWR over 26,000 pounds and you pull a trailer with a rating under 10,000 pounds (like a motorhome pulling a car) you need a Class B license. Note that you do not need to pull a trailer when you are given the drivers test to obtain a Class B license - but you are allowed to pull a trailer rated under 10,000 pounds - just like you are allowed to pull a trailer behind the family auto w/o special license or testing.

If the vehicle has a GCVWR over 26,000 pounds and you pull a trailer with a rating over 10,000 pounds, you need a Class A license - and you do need to pull a trailer rated over 10,000 pounds to take the drivers portion of the test.

Does not apply to all States as some chose to ignore offering NON-CDL drivers license and allow folks to drive their 40,000 pound rated motorhomes with a regular drivers license - and some States offer Non-CDL Class A and B for RV'ers, farmers, etc.

If you got a Class A license driving a PU truck, the examiner I feel is wrong. Just answer the question: can you drive my truck? . if you have the license you should be able to.

The example that Rick offers from PA drivers manual just does not make any sense. "Tow vehicle rated at 11,000 pounds" etc. As I've said, PU's are rated at 20,000 pounds; where did the 11,000 pound figure come from, and is it GVWR, or CGVWR??? The other part of his manual makes sense and is the same as Texas, NC, and a bunch of other states.

There are 50 States and the laws do vary ---- but I've yet to see any State that requires special license to drive a 3/4 or 1 ton truck.

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Old 11-06-2004, 04:05 PM   #30
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The 11,00, is a GVWR. What I am getting form penndot is the GVWR of TV plus GVWR of trailer. I know, it makes no sense to me either. I think the original intention is a CGVWR of the TV to be over 26,000. I am hoping they are just confused.
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Old 12-10-2004, 02:26 PM   #31
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Old 12-10-2004, 02:43 PM   #32
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Don in E Texas:
There are 50 States and the laws do vary ---- but I've yet to see any State that requires special license to drive a 3/4 or 1 ton truck.

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Come to FL where if the truck has a GVWR of 8000# or more (OR if it is just a DRW) you have to have a special license.
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Or come to WA where there aren't classes of licenses until you get to commercial or something similar.

"I have a 35' HR Alumalite and pull it with my 03 Ram 2500. The length of the trailer does not matter, it is the weight. My trailer is rated at 7k pounds, has two 3500lb axles under it so I am way under my allowed weight."

You must have that thing full of helium. My 96 Alumalite is 32' long (3' shorter than yours) and weighs in at over 9,000 lbs. fully loaded. It has a 10K GVWR. I wonder why my shorter TT is more than a ton heavier then yours?
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Old 12-12-2004, 11:46 AM   #34
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All of this conversation just supports the idea that like the CDL, state non-commercial driver's licenses should have a uniformity. Maybe there should be federal legislation to a uniform code.

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You guys need to work thourgh the questions at this site:

Texas CDL

You will see that the 10,000 pound trailer limit only apply to vehicle with GVWs of 16,000 - 26,000 pounds.

You can drive a combonation that exceed 26,000 pounds with a standard license if the truck is 26,000 or lower and the trailer is not over 10,000.

Example 1 - 19,500 GVW F-650 pulling a 10,000 pound capacity trailer - 29,500 GCWR but CDL isn't required.

Example 2 - 9900 GVW F-350SRW pulling a 20,000 pound capacity gooseneck = 29,900 GCWR and CDL is required.

That Texas Site explains it better than any other source I've seen.
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Like Ag Teacher said. Notice these are gross vehicle weight ratings not actual weights. RVs are specifically exempted though as long as it is for personal use. There are other exemptions and exceptions for ag related businesses.
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Earlier this past summer, I thought this guy was going to buy my fifth wheel hitch from me. We had made arrangements to meet at a campground. So I loaded the hitch in the trunk of my Saturn. I had the car parked in front of the motor home facing the motor home with the trunk lid open and this camper and his wife was walking by and asked me what I tow with the car?
I should have backed the car up to a fiver and taken some pictures of it!!
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ISLAPP:
"asked me what I tow with the car?" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mike,

You should have told him you have a 40' fiver with triple axles that you tow with it because you are fed up with the higher prices for the fuel in the diesel trucks.
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Yea, Richard. I dont need no stinkin diesel, my 4cyl. car can pull anything. I know because my dealer told me so!!
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ATVr:
Or come to WA where there aren't classes of licenses until you get to commercial or something similar.

"I have a 35' HR Alumalite and pull it with my 03 Ram 2500. The length of the trailer does not matter, it is the weight. My trailer is rated at 7k pounds, has two 3500lb axles under it so I am way under my allowed weight."

You must have that thing full of helium. My 96 Alumalite is 32' long (3' shorter than yours) and weighs in at over 9,000 lbs. fully loaded. It has a 10K GVWR. I wonder why my shorter TT is more than a ton heavier then yours? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Slides (or lack thereof), maybe?

I should mention the thousands of hotshotters out there, grossing 25-30,000lbs on 1-ton pickups. I saw a Ram 3500 (1994-2002 bodystyle) towing a huge gooseneck car transporter with triple axles, loaded with 5 vehicles last week. It had Texas plates, a big Texas flag on the cab fairing, & "GVWR 28500" on the door.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Johnny:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ATVr:
Or come to WA where there aren't classes of licenses until you get to commercial or something similar.

"I have a 35' HR Alumalite and pull it with my 03 Ram 2500. The length of the trailer does not matter, it is the weight. My trailer is rated at 7k pounds, has two 3500lb axles under it so I am way under my allowed weight."

You must have that thing full of helium. My 96 Alumalite is 32' long (3' shorter than yours) and weighs in at over 9,000 lbs. fully loaded. It has a 10K GVWR. I wonder why my shorter TT is more than a ton heavier then yours? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Slides (or lack thereof), maybe?

I should mention the thousands of hotshotters out there, grossing 25-30,000lbs on 1-ton pickups. I saw a Ram 3500 (1994-2002 bodystyle) towing a huge gooseneck car transporter with triple axles, loaded with 5 vehicles last week. It had Texas plates, a big Texas flag on the cab fairing, & "GVWR 28500" on the door. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


You won't get nowhere with that one. I have posted it in the past. We are similiar with my company. We gross 26-28K on an F350 R/C 4x4 dually and just had the anual inspection last week by DOT so we were legal. Had a 420D Cat backhoe on our 40' tandem dual Gooseneck and weighed 29350 with 4K pinweight when he scaled us. He went through the brakes, lights, and structural inspection, asked for my CDL, Med card and insurance and gave us our DOT anual safety sticker on the truck and trailer. This is the same DOT man that busted us last year for 51,500 on our dumptruck when we were only tagged for 50K
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Hey Matt,

It's great to see you posting on iRV2 again, we've missed you. Are you back in Indiana?

It seems as if the DOT isn't interested in the manufacturers GVWR and GCWR, they seem to focus on tagged weight and obvious stuff that's not working such as the lights, brakes, etc. that you mentioned.
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