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Old 08-16-2019, 12:13 PM   #29
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My GM 2013, 16, and 19 were all about as quiet as a Lexus inside riding down the road. I have had friends ask me why I bought a gas engine when riding in my trucks and then act surprised when I say, no, its a diesel, its just that quiet. I also added dyna-mat to the doors of my 2016 and it was pretty much dead silent in the cab going down the road. No thanks on the clickitty clack.
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Old 08-16-2019, 01:31 PM   #30
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jjack - could you feel the added refinement from the 2013 to the 2016 and then to the 2019?

I made a bigger jump from a 2012 Super Duty to 2017 Super Duty and could feel a big jump of refinement in the Fords.

I test drove and was able to keep a 2018 Chevy 1500 All Star Edition over night. Man, that truck was ultra quiet and smooth.
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My wife thought the interior noise and ride was noticably better on the 16, but I did have the dyna-mat installed and a custom stereo. I personally don't think there was much difference on the cabin noise between 2016 and 2019, but I also went to 6 wheels instead of 4, and the DRW ride is a little stiffer. But overall I have been very happy with the ride and cabin noise on all three trucks.

Edit: I'd also note the big jump for me was from 2010 to 2013. That was the biggest upgrade; but I also went from a 2500 gasser in 2010 to a 2013 2500 with a Duramax. The interior, noise level, and ride quality was way better in the 2013.
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Old 08-16-2019, 07:38 PM   #32
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You arent likely to see a big difference within a generation of a vehicle unless they completely change the interior or something. You guys might be suprised how much a small change costs to make on that large of a scale. The trucks i typically drive are the budget versions without the better sound deadening But the duramax is usually really quiet until you put an exhaust on. The powerstroke has sounded like a bucket of coins for ages now.
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The reason for the big change in the GM truck between the 2010 and 2013 was in 2011 the truck was redesigned with a much stiffer frame. In January 2011 at an RV show GM had the old frame and new frame on display so you could see the difference. The difference was significant with much thicker metal and the hitch looked to be part of the frame instead of an after thought.

The cost of a new model is mind boggling with thousands of people trying to make it happen. Even people like me who write software. I worked at the Honda Plant in East Liberty Ohio writing software to track new features on a redesigned Honda Civic. That was a small part with the tooling changes needed to stamp out floor pans doors, hood, etc. being a big part. Vehicals start with a big roll of steel or for Ford aluminum. 50,000 pieces later you have a completed vehicle.
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You should not fear that a V10 is not up to the job. Nearly every class A gasoline coach in the last 20 years uses that engine, and still does. The one we drove four years was 26k actual weight with toad.

Would I prefer a diesel? Yes. But not a 6.0 BTDT.

In those years my first choice would be another brand.
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Need a new truck, my 97 F-350 is overloaded.

[I've found a 2010 F350 V10 dually automatic with 70000 miles on it. I think I'm probably going to get it.





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You should not fear that a V10 is not up to the job. Nearly every class A gasoline coach in the last 20 years uses that engine, and still does. The one we drove four years was 26k actual weight with toad.



Would I prefer a diesel? Yes. But not a 6.0 BTDT.



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I wouldnt get a 6.0. You are going to spend more to bullet proof it then its worth.
The v10 would be my choice of those two trucks.
However I would look at a third option. Sell you 97 and get a 99.5 - 2003 with the 7.3 in it. Then take the trans (4r100) to either BTS or Dorsey. It can be built to handle any load. Or find a truck with a ZF-6 standard.
Put an intake, exhaust and a hydra chip on the 7.3 superduty and it will have zero issue pulling that camper.
My camper is 11k loaded and I run the hydra set on +80hp tow mode (2000 7.3 drw) and I can accelerate up ramps and have no problems getting to highway speeds quick.
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I wouldnt get a 6.0. You are going to spend more to bullet proof it then its worth.
The v10 would be my choice of those two trucks.
However I would look at a third option. Sell you 97 and get a 99.5 - 2003 with the 7.3 in it. Then take the trans (4r100) to either BTS or Dorsey. It can be built to handle any load. Or find a truck with a ZF-6 standard.
Put an intake, exhaust and a hydra chip on the 7.3 superduty and it will have zero issue pulling that camper.
My camper is 11k loaded and I run the hydra set on +80hp tow mode (2000 7.3 drw) and I can accelerate up ramps and have no problems getting to highway speeds quick.
What kind of pricing are you thinking it costs to "bulletproof"? Im justs curious. I know what the shop i deal with charges for heads, egr delete, tune, and turbo service and its less than a built 48re.
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What kind of pricing are you thinking it costs to "bulletproof"? Im justs curious. I know what the shop i deal with charges for heads, egr delete, tune, and turbo service and its less than a built 48re.
There is a WHOLE LOT MORE to bullet proofing a 6.0 then just head studs, egr delete and a turbo wheel. If that is what they are claiming to be bulletproofed you should be heading to another shop that knows what they are talking about.

You shouldn't even be deleting the egr, you should putting on one that can handle the job. You could almost get 2 4r100's built for the cost of a PROPER bulletproof.
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[I've found a 2010 F350 V10 dually automatic with 70000 miles on it. I think I'm probably going to get it.

Well you are towing close to 14,000# while a V-10 is a strong gas engine it will need to rev to get up hills to make up the difference in torque to the 7.3.


You seem to a Ford loyalest, have you considered a GM/Dmax or Ram/Cummins? My DD's 2004 Ram 3500 DRW, is a strong tow rig, from 2002 to 2003 the Cummins gained about 100 hp and a bunch of torque when it went common rail. GM Dmaxs were pretty strong during that time.
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There is a WHOLE LOT MORE to bullet proofing a 6.0 then just head studs, egr delete and a turbo wheel. If that is what they are claiming to be bulletproofed you should be heading to another shop that knows what they are talking about.

You shouldn't even be deleting the egr, you should putting on one that can handle the job. You could almost get 2 4r100's built for the cost of a PROPER bulletproof.
An egr has no place on any engine, i do not and will not destroy my motors. That price also included updating the high pressure oil system (not including the hpop). So, what else are you including in a "proper bulletproof"? Ficm and hpop? If functioning properly why would you replace either of those? You can have the top end redone for 3-6k. I just checked pricing on the 48re and the 4r100 right at 3-3500 for a basic rebuilt trans. Add anothe 750-1000 for install and your right in the middle of pricing to redo the top end of a 6.0. I think the op running the current setup until the trans starts giving a reason to is the right way to go but i also dont see any reason to spout off bs.
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Well, I just took the plunge and bought a low mileage 2015 F-350 DRW. No more worries about weight.
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Haha, until your significant other wants a 20klb toy hauler. Congrats on the new truck!
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