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Old 10-09-2015, 10:30 AM   #1
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Need info on tow vehicle and toyhauler combo

Looking at the Fuzion 413 toyhauler. Would a gmc 2500 gas double/crew cab 4wd be enough truck?
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Old 10-09-2015, 10:41 AM   #2
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Trailer specs? You want us to do all the work, or can you give us some trailer specs? There is also RV Tow Check.
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Old 10-09-2015, 10:46 AM   #3
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Don't know the trailer specs but I towed my 37 ft KZ Sportsman toy hauler to Tucson from central Missouri.. big mistake.. 4mpg most of the time and in 4th gear a lot with a 6.0 chevy 2500 extended cab long bed.. just not near enough torque.. Within a week of arrival in Tucson we traded it for an 09 ford 6.4 diesel.. Huge difference.. 8mpg at 65 mph with cruise control set..
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Old 10-09-2015, 10:48 AM   #4
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In a word - NO. You're going to have in the neighborhood of 3500 pounds on the hitch and your 2500 isn't made for that kind of weight. And you want to tow with a gas motor? Good luck with that.
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Nope...can not come close to towing this with a gasoline powered truck.
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Old 10-09-2015, 01:36 PM   #6
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Nope.

As much as I like my gasser for my trailer, that is too much hitch weight and enough trailer to really strain a gas motor.

That is solid 3500 diesel territory.
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Old 10-09-2015, 05:08 PM   #7
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Looking at the Fuzion 413 toyhauler. Would a gmc 2500 gas double/crew cab 4wd be enough truck?
No.

GVWR of the Fusion 413 is 19,000 pounds, and it will probably weigh over 18,000 pounds when wet and loaded on the road. Dry hitch weight is 23.6% of dry trailer weight, so you can count on at least 20% hitch weight when loaded with toys. That's 3,600 pounds hitch weight when the trailer is lightly loaded to 18,000 pounds.

Fuzion - Click on "show all floorplans", then on 413, then scroll down to the specs for the Fusion 413.

Your payload capacity of your GMC gasser is probably less than 3,600 pounds, so that's a non-starter.

Also, your puny gas engine/drivetrain doesn't have the muscle to tow anywhere near an 18,000 pound trailer.

So that trailer needs a modern dually to handle the hitch weight, and it needs a modern turbo-diesel engine to comfortably pull that much weight over hill and dale.
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Most 5th wheel toy haulers need a duelly for for Tv, due to unpredictable hitch weight. Not a lot of owners load 2000 LBS in the garage.
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Why do so many people not like the gas powered trucks? I tow with a gas powered truck and at times will gross 26k and not have any trouble on any hwy grades and even the mountain roads. Although with the stock gears the truck would struggle but a simple gear change and everything is good. mpgs went up 2mpgs when towing and .5 mpgs less when empty.
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Ask around enough and someone will tell you to go for it. But the answer is that a 2500 is not enough truck for that trailer. I see overloaded SRW's pulling 5th wheels all the time. Not only are they shortening the life of their tow vehicle, they are a safety risk to anyone near them on the road. Many will argue all day long that their SRW will pull the exact same as a DRW. Simply wrong.

I think some guys get their egos a little too caught up in their trucks and that clouds some good decision making when it comes to what they think they can tow safely. You were smart enough to ask. You will want a 1 ton dually for that for sure.
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Why do so many people not like the gas powered trucks? I tow with a gas powered truck and at times will gross 26k and not have any trouble on any hwy grades and even the mountain roads. Although with the stock gears the truck would struggle but a simple gear change and everything is good. mpgs went up 2mpgs when towing and .5 mpgs less when empty.
Not an issue of not liking gas powered trucks. More of an issue of torque for me.
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Not an issue of not liking gas powered trucks. More of an issue of torque for me.
For me, they had me at "built in from the factory exhaust brake" I don't even touch my brakes on the descents except to slow for a curve or turn. HUGE safety bonus for IMO.
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Why do so many people not like the gas powered trucks? I tow with a gas powered truck and at times will gross 26k and not have any trouble on any hwy grades and even the mountain roads. Although with the stock gears the truck would struggle but a simple gear change and everything is good. mpgs went up 2mpgs when towing and .5 mpgs less when empty.
You are way overweight at 26k. That aside, people are spoiled. 99.9% of us here don't tow enough to justify 865ft-lbs and 30,000 capacity. So spoiled they freak out if their truck comes out of 6th. Time to trade it in for the newest diesel with more torque, even though they justified the purchase in part because of the 350,000 miles they can potentially log on the power train.

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Not an issue of not liking gas powered trucks. More of an issue of torque for me.
Torque huh? These new gas motors have more torque than the original powerstroke and cummins.

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For me, they had me at "built in from the factory exhaust brake" I don't even touch my brakes on the descents except to slow for a curve or turn. HUGE safety bonus for IMO.
Lord knows touching the brakes or just picking the right gear at the top like a real truck driver would be out of the question.

What did we ever do before Dodge put a decent diesel in a pickup in 1989??? Before exhaust brakes?

To the OP, I already suggested 3500 diesel because it will the the best choice to pull that size of RV and be comfortably within manufacturers tow and payload ratings. Get the right tool for the job or wish you had.
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The key word is comfortable. Driving white knucked is exciting but not much fun.
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