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Old 04-29-2014, 04:06 PM   #1
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New 2015 Ford Super Duty - available now!!!

Just got a call from the local Ford dealer. He has about 10 2015 Super Duty trucks in stock.

I was thinking these trucks would not be available until early fall but I was wrong. They are available now!!!

I was just looking at in stock 2015 super duty trucks on-line. I don't trust any of the Ram/Ford tow numbers but now my 5th wheel is 12,000lbs. below the new advertised tow limits.

Also read that the combined weight for the 2015 F-450 is...yikes, 40,000lbs.

I will be watching for Fast Lane Trucks to test the newest trucks. It should be interesting.
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You could order a new 2015 SuperDuty several weeks ago. They have been on Ford.com for several weeks.
2015 Ford SuperDuty: Build and Price | Ford[BodyStyle:F-250]
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What should I expect to to pay if the truck I built has a MSRP of $60000?
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Old 05-01-2014, 09:41 AM   #4
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What should I expect to to pay if the truck I built has a MSRP of $60000?
Most dealers will sell you a new SuperDuty for invoice, or very close to invoice, plus TT&L. Invoice cost is about 10% discount from sticker, so you should be able to buy that truck for about $54,000 with very little negotiation.

You can determine invoice price by "build and price" the same exact truck and options on one of the popular car pricing websites, either
Official Kelley Blue Book New Car and Used Car Prices and Values
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New Cars, Used Cars, Car Reviews and Pricing - Edmunds.com
or maybe both. But build the truck on ford.com first to be sure the combination of options you choose are actually available, and notice the MSRP. Then choose those same options on the car pricing website, and be sure the MSRP is the same as Ford.com, then you'll have your facts straight when you talk to a manager at a dealership.

When you talk to a dealer's employee, do NOT talk to a salesman. If an eager sales person grabs you before you even get in the door, just inform them you came to talk to the fleet manager (and maybe ask where is his office). Insist on talking only to a manager (fleet manager, new car manager, new truck manager, etc.). In a strange store where I don't know the players, I'll insist on talking to the fleet manager. Even if your "fleet" consists of only one vehicle, the fleet manager will usually be happy to give you a good price up front with minimum negotiation. Granted, the fleet manager will probably hand you off to another employee after the handshake is done, but make your deal with the fleet manager, then don't worry about who is assigned to complete the paperwork.
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Since these trucks are new your bargaining power will not be as good as later in the year. I agree with 10% for now.

In Apr. 2012 I bought a 2012 Super Duty that stickered for 69k for 60k
I would usually walk with this price but in this case my 5th wheel was in Florida and I was in Ohio looking for a truck with Nav. Most trucks available did not have Nav. because of the Japanese tsunami wiped out parts of the factory that built the Nav system.

Now the reason the Nav ststem was the deal requirement. We plan to travel a lot. Seeing the map as you travel is priceless. Plus you get the back-up camera on the Nav screen instead of a corner of the rearview mirror.

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Plus you get the back-up camera on the Nav screen instead of a corner of the rearview mirror.
That's a big selling factor. Trying to use the back-up camera to connect a "bumper-pull" trailer with the tiny screen in the rear-view mirror is frustrating.

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Seeing the map as you travel is priceless.
But you don't need a $2,500 factory navigation system to have that. We have the nav system in our car, but I didn't order it (on purpose) in the F-150 because our $300 Garmin Nuvi GPS works as good as (or better than) any factory nav system, and it's much easier (and less expensive) to keep the GPS maps updated over the internet.
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Old 05-23-2014, 07:13 PM   #8
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2014 will be a great year to buy a truck--especially a SuperDuty. Ford's getting ready to shut down their big F150 factory for major, major retooling for the aluminum F150. They're going to be running their other F150 @ 110% of capacity making the old model truck. They're also going to be running the SuperDuty assembly lines double hard making up for not having their big F150 factory up and running. When the new aluminum truck assembly is up to their standards, they'll then close the remaining F150 factory and do it all over again.

In the meantime, GM, Ram and Toyota will be trying to "steal" customers with big sales incentives and low APR programs. And Ford will be pushing hard to maintain sales leadership in this highly competitive, high profit product. And SuperDuty's will never be any cheaper than they will be the rest of 2014.
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Old 05-24-2014, 09:33 AM   #9
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New guy here...

The missus and I are a few years out from retirement yet, but are looking to get the truck and fifth wheel Toy Hauler (35-38' tandem axle) while still showing a positive cash-flow..

I am looking at the F350 SD SuperCab & CrewCab with 6.2 gas rather than paying the additional 8k for the diesel only to have to pay more for joy-juice and fuel..
From what I'm reading so far on the internet, most guys think the 6.2 is pretty capable with the new 6 speed automatic trannies.

The deals for the 2014's are pretty good right now and I am wondering if there is really any difference between the 2014 & 2015.

My old truck (99 SD V10) is getting on a bit with 177k on it. While it still looks great and runs better, I don't know if I can trust it to be trouble-free much longer..

Also curious if anyone has any real heavy towing experience with the new 6.2 gas engine?

Thanks folks...
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I would be very hesitant to get a 6.2 liter F350 to handle a trailer over 10K in weight unless you're going to be pulling it very few miles. Most 5'vers are well over weights that engine will handle, and the diesel is warranted in such situations because the dual rear wheels are needed.

I'm running the last of the 7.3's in a 2wd F250 with a D-P Tuner 80 hp econo ECU flash. My truck is great in every day street driving, but even it would be very marginal with a 5th wheel toy hauler or any trailer over 11K pounds dry. My present travel trailer is left in a campground storage, and we use the diesel just to tow a 24' tritoon boat--and a 6.2 gas would serve me well.

We're looking at a Grand Design 323BH (bunkhouse), as a 3/4 ton will handle it.
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I would suggest talking to a fleet manager that builds these trucks for companies and there needs. The fleet managers have gone through the extensive training on how these trucks and motors together on different applications. Ford only rates 80% of towing because of the way people buy these trucks and pull the house. Stay away from salesman that can cause a nightmare in your setup. The fleet manager can build or equip the truck to take care of your needs. If a 6.2 liter is setup right 4.30 gear and the added trailer suspensions you will be fine. The fuel mileage is about 2 to 3 miles different from a diesel. The new diesel motors are good with fuel mileage til you pull weight with def. the amount of money spent to have the diesel logo anymore is not worth it unless you work the truck for a living. That time period of used to have diesel truck just to have is long gone and won't be back as long as people got the money to just throw at it. When you by a new diesel make sure you have a doctor on call for it as you will need it. The market for a mechanic for diesel is high demand with that being said big money in repair bills for just riding up and down the road not working the truck.
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Russ, I'm inclined to agree with you on a number of points. Gearing to keep the engine close to its peak torque would be key.
While I would not want to be in a situation where I was using the engine at its peak power for extended durations, I would have no problem with doing it for 30 minutes to an hour at a time with similar durations of lower power settings. At peak power, the cooling systems and oil should be fine, even for extended periods of time if they were properly designed and functioning to their expectations and design spec.

When I see huge class A motorhomes that have to weigh close to 20k# or more pulling boats, SUVs, etc behind them and all with the 6.8liter V10, I am reassured that expecting gas engines to perform under heavy loading for extended periods is not folly..
My local Ford Dealer has 3-2015's in stock. One of them is diesel the others are 6.2's.. I plan on taking a couple of test drives soon..
One thing I wish that Ford would have brought back is the aerodynamic rear fenders on the Duallys ... Those fenders they put on them now are not very esthetically pleasing and do not compliment the rest of the truck at all in my opinion.
But all that said, I am not 100% convinced that I need a dually either..
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8k for a diesel is a lot of $$$. It was very very tough for me to move from gas to diesel.

I test drove the 6.2 gas F-250. I thought that truck was underpowered. I went looking for used V10 Ford's. Drove one of those.
For the heck of it the salesman called me back to 'just' test drive a disel. I thought the diesel truck was worth the 8k after the test drive.

If you are really hard set against a disel do not test drive one.

Fyi - the 2014 Ford diesel puts out 400HP and 800ft lbs. torque.

The 2015 Ford diesel puts out 440HP and 860ft lbs torque.

There are improvments to the frame also.

A gallon of diesel puts out 20% more btu's then a gallon of gasoline. It does not cost 20% more than gasoline...only 10% more...ugh.

I just retired and plan to tow all over the country. I bought the diesel and am glad I did.
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With the NAV you get a lot more than just the navigation system. Beside the larger screen for the backup camera, you also get real time weather and radar, from your current location or any other travel area in the US. I use it any time there is weather in the area.

Diesel vs Gas, no competition for pulling a 5th wheel. The 8K difference, is really only about 6.5K, unless you are paying full MSRP. A diesel truck with 100K will recoup most of the cost over a gas with 100K at resale. Go to Edmunds or NADA and type in identical trucks 3-4 years old with 100K mi and see what it says.
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