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Old 10-01-2014, 04:50 PM   #15
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2.7 liter V6 is 8500 lbs towing. 3.5 liter ecoboost is over 12000 lbs towing. Would I do it on a normal bases. No.

Its kind of funny that no body thinks V6 engine can have the power or torque to do the work. Back in the late 60's early 70's GMC truck had V6 engines that could run larger GPM fire pumps than there own V8 engines in fire truck chassis. The big problem back then was distributers and carburetors that would go out of adjustment. New fuel injection and coil on plugs only make them better.
I think that was a big hurdle initially with the 3.5L ecoboost. If you said it was a 3.5L diesel people would be all excited over the engine because it would be considered a work horse and durable engine. But you say it is gas then it becomes "oh it is going to be stressed and fail". However the only real difference between the 2 can just be the fuel used. If you build the lower end like a work horse diesel with big mains fastened in 2 directions, steel crank, strong rods, strong pistons, piston oil squirters to cool the pistons you have the makings for a strong work horse gasser.

What really surprises me is no announcement of a 9 or 10 speed Ford/GM joint venture transmission. I really expected this to be in this truck along with the GM trucks.
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When you go to a 3/4 ton pickup dont you have better brakes plus bigger rear end and just a lot stronger pickup? Or am I missing something since so many people are trying to tow with 1/2 ton. Is the price that much different between the two?
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When you go to a 3/4 ton pickup dont you have better brakes plus bigger rear end and just a lot stronger pickup? Or am I missing something since so many people are trying to tow with 1/2 ton. Is the price that much different between the two?
No there is not that big of a price difference. I've seen loaded f-150s and 1500GMC's close over $40k. I'm not sure why folks go for the 1/2tons I just don't get it. You can buy a srw 1ton with less options for the same or less money if buying a gas truck.
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You will find that actual payload is often 100's or a 1000 lb less than these stated numbers they put out. Best way to order a TV is to look at one that is almost what you want and check the little sticker on the door. Then you will have reality. Not internet BS.
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When you go to a 3/4 ton pickup dont you have better brakes plus bigger rear end and just a lot stronger pickup? Or am I missing something since so many people are trying to tow with 1/2 ton. Is the price that much different between the two?
Actually if you go to the Ford 'Build your own' page and build a Ford F150 HD Supercab 3.5 4x4 3.73 XLT it comes out to $41,925 without adding anything else.

Then go to the F250 page and an F250 Supercab 6.2 4x4 3.73 XLT comes in at $40,270 without extras.

F250 comes with a 3200lb CCC and 12,100 tow rating.
F150 HD comes in with a 2390lb CCC and 11,100 tow rating.
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Actually if you go to the Ford 'Build your own' page and build a Ford F150 HD Supercab 3.5 4x4 3.73 XLT it comes out to $41,925 without adding anything else.

Then go to the F250 page and an F250 Supercab 6.2 4x4 3.73 XLT comes in at $40,270 without extras.

F250 comes with a 3200lb CCC and 12,100 tow rating.
F150 HD comes in with a 2390lb CCC and 11,100 tow rating.
EXACTLY why we made the decision to go for the F250!
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I think that was a big hurdle initially with the 3.5L ecoboost. If you said it was a 3.5L diesel people would be all excited over the engine because it would be considered a work horse and durable engine. But you say it is gas then it becomes "oh it is going to be stressed and fail". However the only real difference between the 2 can just be the fuel used. If you build the lower end like a work horse diesel with big mains fastened in 2 directions, steel crank, strong rods, strong pistons, piston oil squirters to cool the pistons you have the makings for a strong work horse .
If it were built that way, yes. Especially if it had a heavy iron block.
But since it was originally in the Taurus, the Flex, and the Explorer and finally the truck, the application seems like an afterthought it was not designed for. Which is fine since most half-ton owners don't use their trucks like trucks, but like cars. That's why they did it.

Many diesels are light duty cars. And this is a great application as well which I would never tow with. The point is, the ecoboost was designed to behave like a diesel. Which is great because it make a lot of torque down low.
But then why not just get the diesel and save fuel and gain longevity and resale value?
I also suspect the tranny will be the weakest like for the f150 ecoboost in the long run when use hard for towing, etc. As it is for any half ton.
Any f150 ecoboost drivers getting better than expected fuel economy?
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Let's see them pass SAE J2807.
Ford has stated that all new models will use the standard as they are introduced.
Get ready for the aluminum super duties next,which will also meet the SAE standards.
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If it were built that way, yes. Especially if it had a heavy iron block.
But since it was originally in the Taurus, the Flex, and the Explorer and finally the truck, the application seems like an afterthought it was not designed for. Which is fine since most half-ton owners don't use their trucks like trucks, but like cars. That's why they did it.

Many diesels are light duty cars. And this is a great application as well which I would never tow with. The point is, the ecoboost was designed to behave like a diesel. Which is great because it make a lot of torque down low.
But then why not just get the diesel and save fuel and gain longevity and resale value?
I also suspect the tranny will be the weakest like for the f150 ecoboost in the long run when use hard for towing, etc. As it is for any half ton.
Any f150 ecoboost drivers getting better than expected fuel economy?
The block is completely different in the EcoBoost F150 from the cars. It is not the same. I cannot possibly see why you would think that the 6R80 transmission would be the weak link. That transmission has been around before it went in the F150 and is built very robust and has been proven to be very robust. It is the same design as the 6R140 that is being used in Superdutys and medium duty trucks.
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No there is not that big of a price difference. I've seen loaded f-150s and 1500GMC's close over $40k. I'm not sure why folks go for the 1/2tons I just don't get it. You can buy a srw 1ton with less options for the same or less money if buying a gas truck.
My experience of riding in a friend's 2006 Dodge 2500 Cummins convinced me that I did not want that as a daily driver. I have six street legal motorcycles, but my truck is my only cage. I chose to purchase a toy hauler that would fit within the 1607# payload of the F150 Supercrew Ecoboost.

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Check out the news, new F150 has 3,300lbs of payload. That's 2500/3500 series truck territory. It has an all new aluminum body which saves it around 600-700lbs, but still retains the same frame structure. So that instant weight savings equates to equally proportional gain in payload.

I wonder how many people are going to put some smaller 5er's on these half-tons. Technically you would be well within your limits, but i'm still skeptical.

Here's the link: 2015 Ford F-150: Power, Towing, and Hauling Numbers Are In [Preview] - TFLTruck.com: Truck News, Views & Reviews | The Fast Lane TruckTFLTruck.com: Truck News, Views & Reviews | The Fast Lane Truck
Where does a F150 owner put 3300 lb payload ??
A F150 sure can't carry 3300 lbs in the bed of the truck.
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Where does a F150 owner put 3300 lb payload ??
A F150 sure can't carry 3300 lbs in the bed of the truck.
Easy.

2 people @ 225#/ea. = 450#

60% partial load of top soil: 38 cu ft @ 75#/cu ft =2850# (6.5' bed is 62 cu ft)

Total = 3300#
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2.7 liter V6 is 8500 lbs towing. 3.5 liter ecoboost is over 12000 lbs towing. Would I do it on a normal bases. No.

Its kind of funny that no body thinks V6 engine can have the power or torque to do the work. Back in the late 60's early 70's GMC truck had V6 engines that could run larger GPM fire pumps than there own V8 engines in fire truck chassis. The big problem back then was distributers and carburetors that would go out of adjustment. New fuel injection and coil on plugs only make them better.
Back in the day, I operated a variety of 3/4T Wildland 4x4 fire trucks. We only had one GMC V-6 in the fleet, on highway it was sort of slow, but off road (aka NO road...lol) that thing was a mountain goat. Low speed torque was sort of unbelievable compared to V-8 trucks that were equipped to the same spec (utility side boxes with gear, 150 gallon water tank, pump/engine, etc, etc.) That Jimmy saved my bacon a few times, made me a believer in V-6's.
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I'll be surprised if the 2015 Ford RV and Trailer Towing Guide shows any F-150 SuprCab or SuperCrew with anywhere close to 3,000 pounds net payload capacity.
I was wrong. The 2015 Ford RV and Trailer Towing Guide has been available for several days by now. Assuming it is accurate, then you can build a 2015 SuperCrew 4x4 with a maximum payload rating of 2,860 pounds.

The heaviest duty 2015 F-150 SuperCrew 4x4 available has GVWR of 7,850 and maximum cargo weight rating (for a slide-in truck camper) of 1,960 pounds. That's with 18" tires, 3.5L EcoBoost engine and the HD Payload Pkg. That 1960 cargo weight rating is what's left after you fill up with gas and load 900 pounds of people into the SuperCrew cabin. 1960 cargo weight rating plus 900 pounds of people = 2,860 max payload.

No, that's not 3,000 pounds, but it's a lot closer to 3,000 than I thought it would be.
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