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Old 12-17-2014, 09:44 AM   #1
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New F150 -- WOW

This might be old news to some, but I just came across it.

The new F150's will have amazing towing and payload capacities -- up to 3300lbs! Isn't that getting into one ton payload area? Or am I misreading the article.

Anyhow, we have been considering getting a smaller 5th wheel, but the hitch weight even on our 1800LB payload F150 is dicey. This could make all the difference and we wouldn't have to buy the F250 or F350.

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Old 12-17-2014, 10:30 AM   #2
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That 3300lbs is for a bare bones XL trimmed regular cab 2wd 8' bed with the heavy duty payload package. Who would buy that? 1st you have to order it. 2nd that trim level alone would be a turn off to most. Reality is that most will order a CC or Scab. The CC comes with the 6.5 bed and the Scab comes with the 8' bed. The Scab has the suicide opening rear doors. Very unfriendly in parking lots while loading the truck with stuff. BTDT. A more realistic payload is around 22-2400lbs by the time you choose the XLT or higher trim levels. By the time you order an F150 with the Heavy Duty payload package and XLT trim or higher you may as well get an F250. Got to Fords web site and click on 'build and price'. I think you'll find the prices are almost the same.


I just did a build on both and came up with $46,600 for an F150 3.5 XLT 4x4 CC 6.5 bed with the HD package. I added some options that would be popular.
Then I did an F250 XLT 4x4 CC 6.5 bed. Not as much was needed except for similar trims options like I added for the F150. Price was $45,980 for the F250.
The Heavy Duty payload package alone is $2390.00 for the F150. Then you have to add the 3.5 EB. The F250 starts out with most of the options needed on the F150 as standard equipment.


Payload for the F150 was listed at 2650lbs. The F250 was 3100lbs. Both will be lower after options are added.




That 3300lb payload and 12,200 tow rating is pure market hype.
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Aliuminum is the key ,but a new (stronger lighter)frame steel is the unsung hero here.

The fans of the competion are nashing their teeth all over the inter webs

It also meets the SAE towing guideline/standard
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Go look at the specs for the new F150 2015 Ford F-150 | View All Ford F-150 Specifications | Ford.com, and make note of the vehicle weight for any model that you might actually enjoy driving whcih for almost everyone means larger than the smallest cab, add 500 pounds as a safety factor, get the GCWR and GVWR, and go over to this site:
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Then, enter another 200 pounds for gear (a light estimate in my research), you and your passenger's combined weight (be honest!), and make sure you marked the box for 5th wheel hitch if you plan on towing a 5er.

*That* is your new max towing capacity for the new F150. Sorry.
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As everyone else has aid you are going to be close to if not over some of your ratings esp. with a fifth wheel.

A basic F-250 is going to cost you less to purchase and the same to maintain and you will have a truck that is right at home pulling or hauling stuff, instead of a beefed up 1/2 ton. The f250 is going to weigh more and that will help in controlling a heavier trailer. A 3/4t or 1ton are really no bigger that a half ton they sit about a foot higher.
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That 3300lbs is for a bare bones XL trimmed regular cab 2wd 8' bed with the heavy duty payload package. Who would buy that? 1st you have to order it. 2nd that trim level alone would be a turn off to most. Reality is that most will order a CC or Scab. The CC comes with the 6.5 bed and the Scab comes with the 8' bed. The Scab has the suicide opening rear doors. Very unfriendly in parking lots while loading the truck with stuff. BTDT. A more realistic payload is around 22-2400lbs by the time you choose the XLT or higher trim levels. By the time you order an F150 with the Heavy Duty payload package and XLT trim or higher you may as well get an F250. Got to Fords web site and click on 'build and price'. I think you'll find the prices are almost the same.


I just did a build on both and came up with $46,600 for an F150 3.5 XLT 4x4 CC 6.5 bed with the HD package. I added some options that would be popular.
Then I did an F250 XLT 4x4 CC 6.5 bed. Not as much was needed except for similar trims options like I added for the F150. Price was $45,980 for the F250.
The Heavy Duty payload package alone is $2390.00 for the F150. Then you have to add the 3.5 EB. The F250 starts out with most of the options needed on the F150 as standard equipment.


Payload for the F150 was listed at 2650lbs. The F250 was 3100lbs. Both will be lower after options are added.




That 3300lb payload and 12,200 tow rating is pure market hype.
This comes down to what you want to use it for. I am still commuting to work so the F150 is a much nicer drive and I get 20 mpg, but still have the ability to nicely pull my 9500 lb fiver even on a cross country trip.
The F250 configuration at that price is the 6.2L that is something of a pig in a 7500 lb truck and not nearly as nice to drive and maybe 14-16 mpg.
However, with the end of my commuting in sight, I plan to order an F350 6.7 so that I will have more options for a future fifth wheel, but it is $10K over what a new F150 would cost.
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The F250 configuration at that price is the 6.2L that is something of a pig in a 7500 lb truck and not nearly as nice to drive and maybe 14-16 mpg.
However, with the end of my commuting in sight, I plan to order an F350 6.7 so that I will have more options for a future fifth wheel, but it is $10K over what a new F150 would cost.
With 412 horsepower, the 6.2 gas engine is perfectly capable in a F250 or F350 and comparable with any other gas engine on the retail market. They are reported at TheDieselStop.com to get about 17 mpg on the open highway unloaded--pretty decent. It's a modern up to date powerplant that's substantially cheaper in the short and long run to operate than the 6.7 diesel--and at a much less initial cost vs. diesel.

Where the diesel shows its stuff is when you're towing 10K or more, and it's then the engine to get. When it's time to trade, buyers will be knocking your door down for the diesel--even if it has 200K miles. The gas engine won't sell as fast or for the price the diesel will command.

(I'm a Powerstroke F250 owner.)
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As everyone else has aid you are going to be close to if not over some of your ratings esp. with a fifth wheel.

A basic F-250 is going to cost you less to purchase and the same to maintain and you will have a truck that is right at home pulling or hauling stuff, instead of a beefed up 1/2 ton. The f250 is going to weigh more and that will help in controlling a heavier trailer. A 3/4t or 1ton are really no bigger that a half ton they sit about a foot higher.
It depends on the fifth wheel. My 34' Cougar High Country would be well within the specs for an F150 with HD payload, and with the 2015, maybe with just the Max Tow package.
The F250 gasser is only rated to pull about 1000 lbs more than the F150. If you want serious fifth wheel towing, an F350 diesel is the way to go. However, almost the only difference between the F250 and F350 is the rear springs, and a few hundred dollars. On the lots, I only see a couple hundred difference and a sales guy said most of the F250s were sold for plowing because of the softer springs.
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On the link for Ford payload specifications , why does it only show the 3300 lbs. for the 2x4 chassis cab configuration and not anything else? In general it just says "up to 12k towing".

My brother was at the Ford dealer and all he saw were $60 to $65k King Ranch F-150's. Do the top of the line 150's really sticker for that much?
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On the link for Ford payload specifications , why does it only show the 3300 lbs. for the 2x4 chassis cab configuration and not anything else? In general it just says "up to 12k towing".

My brother was at the Ford dealer and all he saw were $60 to $65k King Ranch F-150's. Do the top of the line 150's really sticker for that much?
Download the brochure to get max payload and tow specs for different body and engine configs.

And yes, the King Ranch and Plats are really that expensive. They are luxury vehicles where Ford and the dealers make most of their money.

But you can still buy a Reg Cab 8' bed V6 with roll-up windows for a bit over 20K. But you'll probably have to order it.
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The C&C would be the lightest configuration they build. Any other configurations weight difference will be subtracted from that 3300. What's most deceiving is that what ever bed/body is added to that C&C, it's weight will also deduct from that figure.

As to price, I haven't looked at 'em, but that figure isn't surprising. The costs on pickups got out of hand long ago....
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