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Old 06-13-2016, 02:49 PM   #1
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We have a 2015 Silverado 1500 4WD LT Crew engine 5.3L V8 EcoTec3 rear axle 3.42 with trailering package. Looking to tow a 32 foot long Grand Design Imagine 2800BH, the unit weight is 6020. The GWAR is 3500. GVWR is 7495. In the specs it has hitch weight of 580 lbs. The GCWR of truck is 15,000. Actual weight of truck is 5299, so that would leave 9701 for trailer, passengers, cargo of truck & trailer, hitch & sway bars and bed cover.
Trailer weight 6020
Hitch & Sway. 100
Bed cover 45
2 Full propane tanks. 20
Weight of 4 adults. 725. TOTALS 6910
Available. 9701 Less 6910 Equals. 2791
We would have to add cargo to this 2791. Unfilled water tank.
Chevy Manuel says max. trailer weight 9,200 (driver & 1 passenger) nothing else. Looking for opinions if this would be too close to weight limit. Currently have a Shamrock that weighs 4225 It is 28'7" from bumper to ball. But has a 4'6" cage on the front of it. Get wind resistance. Also would increasing trailer weight 2000 lbs. decrease gas mileage? As we now average less than 8 mpg.
We have a Equilizer Sway control hitch 1000 lb. max. tongue/10,000 max. Just don't want to get into something that the Silverado cant handle. The tongue weight is also confusing.


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I think I'd want a 2500 or even a 3500 truck for towing that load. Mileage will suffer from working harder, although it's hard to predict exact hit because once it's in motion it will keep rolling with only wind resistance as the main energy drain.
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Old 06-13-2016, 07:51 PM   #3
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Welcome to the forum. That's one nice truck you have. I would be very happy with it. That said, it will be eaten alive with a 32ft TT. You need to move to a 3/4 or 1tonne. It's not just mileage that would suffer, you woukd be putting your family at risk and also potentially damaging the transmission by over work and over heating problems.
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Old 06-13-2016, 07:59 PM   #4
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You are in 3/4 ton territory with that trailer for sure.
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Old 06-13-2016, 08:14 PM   #5
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Chevy recall

My son has a 2015 Chevy 1500 which he just had a trailer hitch recall done on by the selling dealer. I don't know what was wrong with the original hitch but Chevy felt there was something wrong so they replaced it.
I hope the OP checks this with his dealer before setting out on a trip.
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I have several company PU's that we use to pull about 6k work trailers. 2 years ago I went with a 2014 1/2 ton just like yours. I knew better but thought since I don't actively tow a lot anymore I would like the ride better. I just traded it for a 3/4 ton GMC. Our splicing trailers are very similar to a camper just a little shorter. It was not a good experience towing with the 1/2 ton when I had to do it. I've been towing these trailers for about 30 years. I knew better. I would not recommend it.
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We have a 2015 Silverado 1500 4WD LT Crew engine 5.3L V8 EcoTec3 rear axle 3.42 with trailering package. Looking to tow a 32 foot long Grand Design Imagine 2800BH, the unit weight is 6020. The GWAR is 3500. GVWR is 7495. In the specs it has hitch weight of 580 lbs. The GCWR of truck is 15,000. Actual weight of truck is 5299, so that would leave 9701 for trailer, passengers, cargo of truck & trailer, hitch & sway bars and bed

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I worked on similar calculation - I and others will not recommend it.
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Your going to wear that truck out real quick. I've been in your situation before man and I know you hate hearing this but you need to upgrade to a 2500. It is not a good feeling when your pulling a trailer that you can't really control.
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you have to look at the tongue weight rating of your truck and then what the loaded value will be on the trailer. You'll approach that limit very quickly. You want 10-15% on the tongue. And then that weight plus passengers and gear in the truck all need to come off of payload. You're getting overloaded real quick.
Probably not what you wanted to hear.
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GVWR is 7495.
Actual 5299
Avail 2196

Tongue 900

Remaining 1296
In the specs it has hitch weight of 580 lbs. The GCWR of truck is 15,000. Actual weight of truck is 5299,
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I have the truck, so am going to have to downsize the size of TT. I have reached out to Chevy-the dealer was a joke, sent email to trucks communications- no response yet. I have recalculated GCWR is 15000. Weight of truck is 5299. Which leaves 9701 for passengers, cargo, weight of tongue est. 580. With a 20% safety margin of 1940 would leave 7761 for the available GCWR. The weight of 4 adults 725, truck bed cover 45,and weight of tongue est. 580(they really vary) is 1350. This would leav 395 available for cargo in truck. Taking my available GCWR to 6411. This would be for weight of TT, hitch & sway and cargo of truck & camper. Limiting the length to 28 to 29 feet. Am I figuring this correctly? Unfortunately the lighter trailers aren't the best quality. Any sugestions? Jay Flight 24RBS is 28'8" & weighs 5280, but this is usually 350 pounds lighter than weight on physical camper. So think this may still be too much.


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Go from what the sticker says.


Open the door and it will say "passengers and cargo must never exceed XXXX"

Your max payload is probably around 1500 - 1900 lbs. This is the magic number.

For instance, say your payload is 1900 lbs.

Subtract a full tank of gas at 6lb's per gallon - we'll pretend, 26 gallons x 6 = 156
Subtract you, guessing, 185 lbs
Subtract the wife, guessing, 115lbs

1449 lbs to go.

Subtract the trailer tongue weight, guessing at the high end, 700lbs

Leaves you an appreciable 749lbs.....

From there, it's whatever gear you put in the truck.

But check your sticker.. aftermarket addons like running boards take away payload. Factory options like 4x4, heated and cooled seats, moonroofs.. all take away from payload, so your sticker will have to be your guide.

The issue with overloading your springs and tires with too much weight is the weight removes the ability of the springs to travel. Once they are maxed out, they are out of wiggle room. When the trailer yaws for the various reasons they do, the springs can't absorb it and return the trailer. What ends up happening is the trailer pulls the truck instead (to the yawing side) and it can make for one heck of a tiring day driving. Not to mention slightly dangerous.

I have a hard time comprehending that a 32 foot trailer would have a hitch weight of only 580 lbs, but maybe that's true. However, the hitch weight will probably end up higher with a loaded trailer, not to mention the weight of the hitch.

I'm usually the guy that says "get a 2500" but if in fact your sticker says 1900 lb payload.... and you have a light hitch weight.. you *might* be able to get away with it with a lightly loaded truck and a lightly, properly loaded trailer.

Here., check this out.
Measuring trailer tongue weight with a bathroom scale

this is a way for you to actually find the real TW of any trailer, right on the dealers lot. They might look at you're like you're crazy, but hey, its your money and you're the customer.

And in looking at the grand design website, I would bet this is a 28 foot trailer with a bumper. You really need to verify the weight of the tongue of the actual unit you might drive away with simply to verify the numbers for your own rig. Don't trust the salesman, they don't know and they will nod their head a lot in the YES direction.
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Nice looking trailer, btw!
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Just to further explain tongue weight, as I see in your post, it can be a little confusing.

Tongue weight is the amount of downward force, in lb's, that a trailer puts on the rear end of your truck - straight down.

It's similar to how you would measure the weight of a yard of top soil dumped in your truck bed, and it's considered "cargo"

"Towing capacity" refers to the amount of weight the drivetrain can pull before things begins to break. This would be a measure of how strong the transmission and driveshaft are. This is weight pulled forward, not weight carried from above.

Drivetrain "pulls" towing capacity....

Leaf Springs and Tires "support" tongue weight as cargo.

Also, a factor in payload is the tire rating. Where E rated tires can handle the most weight in downward force. I would guess you have D rated tires. Possibly even C rated tires, and maybe E rated tires - you'll need to look.

Regardless, I would want E rated, 10 ply tires. The side wall can handle the weight.
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