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Old 10-19-2010, 11:18 PM   #1
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New One Ton Dually

Trading off my 2008 F350 and looking at Chevy and Dodge, both 4x2, Duals, Diesel, 6 Speed Auto and near same options. Could not see another Ford that IMHO is over priced.

Any comments about the Dodge or the Chevy?

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We have the Dodge equipped pretty much as you described. So far, so good - no problems at all. In the limited towing we've done to date (about 80 miles), it's handled our 16,000 lb GVWR 5th wheel just fine. The integrated trailer brake controller, exhaust brake and tow/haul mode all work as advertised. Heck, Sandy drove the truck on our return trip pulling the 5th wheel over rural roads, through Sunday afternoon traffic in NW Houston, etc. and loved it. The 4th generation Ram HD (introduced in 2010) has a much more sophisticated interior, hydraulic cab mounts, triple-sealed doors, etc. that, at the Laramie trim level of our truck, make it much more luxurious, quieter and smoother-riding than previous Dodges.

The 6.7L Cummins has been around since 2007, so the teething bugs have been pretty well exterminated. As is typical for a Cummins, however, the trucks that have problems are those that are never worked - the ones used only as "mall cruisers" as the EGTs never get up to desired levels which leads to more "sooting" that requires more regeneration to keep the DPF clean. Those that spend most/all of their time towing and/or hauling heavy loads have been pretty much bulletproof.

The 6-speed 68RFE automatic is really nice as well. It's a double overdrive transmission that, even with the 4.10 axle ratio we ordered (this yields a 26,000 lb GCWR), cruises at 60 MPH at about 1600 RPM unlike our 2002 Dodge that ran 2000 RPM in 6th at 60 MPH with the NV5600 6-speed manual. That's nice when running on flat ground or running unloaded. It allows you to manually select the highest gear with +/- buttons on the shifter, so you can lock it in 5 for towing in rolling hills and the transmission will cycle through 1-5 as needed, or you can downshift it through the gears to maximize exhaust brake efficiency if desired (although the tow/haul mode makes the downshifting schedule more aggressive on its own).

The only downside so far - fuel mileage isn't up to the standards of our previous 2002 Cummins, but with limited mileage (980 total miles on the truck at this writing), it's too soon to render a final verdict.

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I forgot to include in my previous post - all the Dodge technical specs for all truck models from 2004 through 2011 are available through the link I gave in post #1 of THIS THREAD.

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Nice evaluation Rusty. I have the SRW 3500 and love it. Cruising empty I've seen a best of 20 mpg if kept at 65 mph. I haven't towed yet but will next Friday when we pick up our Carraige.
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Rusty, I don't expect to get MPG that my 2003 3/4 ton did (23-24 cruising) My old 5er was only 30 foot and about 9000 lbs and we averaged 11 MPG on our trip to Alaska of about 10,000 miles. I can live very well with 20 MPG.

Thanks for the detailed evaluation.

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After towing with a Duramax and now a Cummins, I am more than pleased with with the Cummins. Laramie 4X2 dually Quad Cab. While there might be a few items that GM has that are better (auto headlights) it is not a big deal and the price difference more than makes up for the missing options.
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While there might be a few items that GM has that are better (auto headlights) it is not a big deal and the price difference more than makes up for the missing options.
Our Laramie has auto headlights, memory for the seats, electrically adjustable pedals and mirrors, Sirius radio/nav with Bluetooth, dual zone climate control, a 120 VAC inverter, heated and cooled front seats with heated rear seats, remote start etc. Also optional are the sunroof and rear entertainment system (DVD with Sirius back seat TV) that we didn't go for - the Shelties can only watch so much Animal Planet, Rin Tin Tin and Lassie.

The 4th generation Rams are a whole different animal.

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Considering that Cummins was meeting the 2011 emission specs in 2006 and without a Urea additive (both Ford and GM have Urea tanks that need filling every 5000 mi or so) that tried and true I6 is a powerful beast.
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Rusty the only reason I didn't buy a Dodge CTD this time (05) was bed height, it was much too tall for our 5er. The Chevy 4WD dually I bought is 3" lower than the Dodge 2WD, and fit under our 5er. What is your evaluation of bed height for your Dodge?
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Ray,

As you know, we had a 2002 Dodge 3500 4x2 dually previously. The 2011 Dodge did require me to raise the 5th wheel hitch by 1 bolt hole and to drop the Demco Glide-Rite stinger in the pin box by 1 bolt hole in order to get adequate clearance over the tailgate. Some of this might be due to a higher static unloaded ride height, but two (2) other factors entered into the equation:

1. For whatever reason, Dodge put a small spoiler-type lip on the top of the tailgate that eats into the tailgate-to-5th wheel clearance.

2. The 2011 has a higher GVWR rating and doesn't "squat" as much as the 2002 when the pin weight of the 5th wheel is placed onto the hitch. The 2002 would sit level under load while the 2011 is still slightly high in the rear.

I guess I'm a little surprised by your comment as I've heard that the new GM trucks are REALLY tall in the bedrail/pinbox area. I'll try to get some measurements tonight on the unloaded 2011 Dodge and post them, and if someone has or can get corresponding measurements for the new GM truck, maybe we can separate fact from rumor.

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Measurements for my 2011 Ram 3500 dually 4x2 as promised. Unloaded with 5th wheel hitch installed:

Ground to top of tailgate: 55"

Ground to top of bed floor (rear of bed): 33.5"

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... Could not see another Ford that IMHO is over priced...Rich
I've never been able to understand this kind of comment as everytime I price similarly spec'd trucks, they're all within a couple hundred dollars of each other, and all overpriced. May be a regional thing, and if so, I'm getting screwed! Where you at that the price delta is large enough to be a deal breaker?
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Our 2011 Dodge Ram Laramie 4x2 (top trim level until the foo-foo Laramie Longhorn comes out in January) stickered in the low $50K range with all available options except sunroof and rear video entertainment system. The feedback I've heard is that comparable competing trucks are often in the $60K range. To me, that's a significant difference, although my selection wasn't primarily driven by price.

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Our 2011 Dodge Ram Laramie 4x2 (top trim level until the foo-foo Laramie Longhorn comes out in January) stickered in the low $50K range with all available options except sunroof and rear video entertainment system. The feedback I've heard is that comparable competing trucks are often in the $60K range. To me, that's a significant difference, although my selection wasn't primarily driven by price.

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It occurred to me I hadn't done it since 2010 models, so I went to both Dodge and Ford "Build and Price" sections. Without going line item by line item for standard features (only touched on major ones like 1 ton dually, AC, crew cab, long box), and major options like diesel, AT, and rear ratio, the D3500 ST (yeah, I know I'm cheap) came in at about 43k, and the F350 XL at 47k, with similar options. That's a bigger difference than I recall in previous years, and, I have to admit, significant enough to influence my decision. It would all depend on how willing the dealer was to sell one.
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