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Old 06-30-2006, 07:15 PM   #1
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OK. with the addition of the new Ultralow diesel fuel, what do you think? What about the new trucks and should we buy or wait for another year?

Your info is appreciated.
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OK. with the addition of the new Ultralow diesel fuel, what do you think? What about the new trucks and should we buy or wait for another year?

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Old 07-01-2006, 04:51 AM   #3
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vette Racer:
OK. with the addition of the new Ultralow diesel fuel, what do you think? What about the new trucks and should we buy or wait for another year?

Your info is appreciated. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm keeping my '03 as I think the LB7 is the better engine. Will have to figure out the additive options, but it seems like running a blend of Bio, if available, would be the answer to replacing lubrication in the new fuel.
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Old 07-01-2006, 05:10 AM   #4
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If I were in the market for a new truck, I'd not want to get into one that requires ULSD fuel until after the initial roll out period had played out.

With a truck requiring ULSD, I'd be concerned about being low on fuel and rolling into a station to fill up, only to find their pumps stickered with the LSD warnings against using it in '07 models. If I didn't have enough ULSD to get me down the road to the next station I'd have a problem.

I realize that eventually all stations will more than likely be converted to ULSD, but in those first few months immediately after the new 07's start being put on the highways and that transition period when stations are being converted to ULSD, it may be 'touch and go' for a while.

Keep in mind, there is no requirement for a station to sell ULSD, only to label what they sell accordingly.

There is also the issue with the additional cost of an '07 due to the particulate filters being added and the fact that they will use more of the ULSD fuel to travel the same distance as a similar vehicle burning LSD.

Unfortunately, any of us wanting to continue using diesel vehicles will eventually have to use ULSD, I'd prefer putting that time off as far as possible.

Time will tell if my concerns have any basis.
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Most of the stations in my area I believe have already switched to ultra-low, with no apparent problems.

I had toyed with the idea of looking at the new 5500 series cab and chassis Dodge is supposed to come out with for 07, but I think I'll wait.

The new engine will have a new management system, cooled exhaust gas recirculation, and some sort of particulate filter. Ford is also supposed to have a new engine, and I would assume similar emission controls will be on the Chevy.

I think it would be prudent to wait until these have been on the road for a while to see what kind of problems, milage, and other issues might crop up.
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Old 07-03-2006, 04:37 AM   #6
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This seems to be just like the switch from leaded gas to unleaded. It turned out most of the phobia was unfounded. I have yet to see any engine harmed from using unleaded in a old leaded gas engine. The immediate concern is, like others already stated, locating ULSD fuel until the switch is off to a good start.
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i called my ford dealer here and they confirmed the info


Purpose:
The purpose of this communication is to dispel confusion over new EPA-mandated labels on service station fuel pumps. You and your customers should know that BOTH Low-Sulfur Diesel fuel and Ultra-Low-Sulfur Diesel fuel can be used in the '07MY Super Duty.

Background:
The EPA has mandated a migration from Low-Sulfur Diesel (LSD) to Ultra-Low-Sulfur Diesel (ULSD). Refiners and importers are required to sell 80% of their diesel fuel as ULSD, beginning on June 1, 2006. By October it's expected that ULSD will be widespread among retailers. The following labels are required on fuel pumps:

For ULSD: Required for use in all model year 2007 and later highway Diesel vehicles and engines. Recommended for use in all Diesel vehicles and engines.

For LSD: WARNING Federal law prohibits use in model year 2007 and later vehicles and engines. Its use may damage these vehicles and engines.

These labels are misleading. The requirement to use ULSD applies only to vehicles built with new engines in compliance with new 2007 calendar year emissions standards. It does NOT apply to carry-over engines like the 6.0L in the 2007MY Super Duty. Following is the Ford Special Service Message sent to address the issue:

Special Service Message #19217
2007 F-Super Duty vehicles built with the 6.0L diesel engine have a "carry over" 2006 style engine and are not required by federal mandate to use the Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD) fuel. Until ULSD (15 ppm S) is available in October 2006, all diesel fuel pumps selling Low Sulfur Diesel fuel (500 ppm S) must use newly established labels by EPA beginning June 1, 2006. The labels for these pumps state: "WARNING Federal law prohibits use in model year 2007 and later highway vehicles and engines." This is not the case for 2007 vehicles with the carry over 2006 engines, therefore, both Low Sulfur and Ultra Low Sulfur diesel fuels can be used in these vehicles.

FAQ's

Can '07MY Super Duty and earlier model diesel trucks run on ULSD?
Yes. There are no restrictions from using ULSD.

Can '07MY Super Duty diesels run on LSD?
Yes. Although LSD may not be available in some areas as the industry switches to ULSD.

Will the new '08MY Super Duty be able to use LSD?
No, the EPA regulation prohibits this. '08MY Super Duties must use ULSD.

How do these changes impact 2007 E-Series with the 6.0L engine?
ULSD can be used in the E-Series 6.0L engines for 2007 and earlier model years. Specific information regarding the 2007 MY E-Series will be published in October 2006 consistent with Job 1 launch.
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After MUCH research and investigation, including discussion with two diesel mechanics, we elected to buy a 2006my. (Had planned to buy a 2007 next February.) Ended up with a GMC 3500 duallie Duramax SLT crew cab which we picked up Saturday!

Also found a really good salesperson who put the invoice on the table, offered the truck for a price considerably under that, and gave us ZERO percent interest. (Would be foolish to break a CD when you can get zero interest! Or so says my accountant.) No hassle, no pressure, he looked at the inventory in two states to find exactly what we wanted.

Ended up very pleased with the entire process.
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this is making my head hurt. I am going to stick to soy bean oil from Costco for $2.30 a gallon.

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I believe that you will find that (at least in Canada) almost all diesel for OTR vehicles will be ULSD and I suspect that it will be a better fuel than the LSD. It should be a higher cetane (due to the desulphurization) and produce less soot that has been a trial for those of us with EGR's. The only downside I can see is that the BTU (energy) content may be slightly reduced resulting in a tiny mileage reduction. It appears that the new fuel will be nearing (but not catching right up to) the high standards that Euro-diesel meets. The cetane there is 50 or better as opposed to our 40 or better and purity standards may be higher as well.
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All is not sweetness and light with ULSD. 2nd Generation 24 valve Dodge/Cummins owners (1998.5 thru 2002 model years) - check THIS out.

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Wow, that's interesting.

LP's on those engines weren't exactly known for lasting the life of the vehicle to begin with.

Dispite my earlier post, I don't see the tightening of diesel emissions as all doom and gloom.

Back in the 70's and 80's when car emission requiremets got serious there was lots of complaining, and there were some clogged converters and stuff.

Now, most people don't even remember the days of pumping the throttle to set the choke, or having to feather the throttle to keep an engine running after starting in really cold weather, or all the fumes.

Everyone has gotten used to reliable fuel injection- just turn the engine on and it instantly starts and runs perfectly...

These lower compression engines do have the potential of producing both more power and better fuel economy, while running quieter and poluting less.

There are bound to be some bugs along with way, though, so I think I will wait until 08.
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