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Old 02-14-2011, 06:53 PM   #1
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Obama buget cuts and clean diesel fuel

I just read that President Obama wants to do away with the clean diesel as part of his buget cuts. I wonder if this will bring the cost of diesel back under the price of gas as it was when I bought this pickup. Pay 20-30 cents more for diesel over gas hurts.
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Diesel Emissions Reduction Grants: This 6-year-old program received $60 million last year to fund grants to states and cities to help them retrofit or replace old diesel engines with cleaner versions that will meet new, stricter diesel engine emissions standards proposed by the Environmental Protection Agency in 2007. Congress gave the program $469 million in the last two years alone. In 2008, some 14,000 dirty engines were retooled or replaced. The Obama administration declared the program a success and opted to end it, noting that the dirtiest engines are no longer belching pollution into the air. Even without funding, older engines are being replaced with newer models.

We can't have dirty diesel engines competing with electric motors in cars now can we?
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So, we are still going to see the expensive fuel ?
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So, we are still going to see the expensive fuel ?
They really can't go back on the switch to ultra-low sulphur fuel - That would make the post-2007 engines with particlate filters fail quickly. Just like going back to leaded gas after catalysts were introduced in the mid '70's.

I sure would like to see the Feds drop the ethanol in gasoline - the whole thing is a scam with BILLIONs of our tax dollars going to subsidize corn growers. Don't get me started.
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Diesel was more expensive than gas even before ULSD. Worldwide, diesel consumption is way up compared to the 60, 70's and 80's when diesel was a surplus product whose supply exceeded demand and therefore prices were low.
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bluepill, now the EPA wants to begin putting ethanol in diesel fuel:Diesel Ethanol | Ethanol 4 Car
The other side of the issue is: Ethanol-Diesel Raises Safety, Performance, Health Concerns: Autos | Diesel Fuel News | Find Articles at BNET
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A friend of mine told me there are only two refinerys in the US that produce diesel, thats part of the reason for the higher cost

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Diesel was more expensive than gas even before ULSD. Worldwide, diesel consumption is way up compared to the 60, 70's and 80's when diesel was a surplus product whose supply exceeded demand and therefore prices were low.
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If our government,and I giggle when I say that, would get off it's high horse and let us use our own oil and build a few refineries ,the oil cartel would have to ask "us" to increase production .We have more oil than anyone .

"In the US, Opec is viewed as a cartel and therefore something to be smashed," says Tony Scanlan of the British Institute of Energy Economics.
"The one thing the Opec countries all have in common is their absolute reliance on one product - oil."BBC.


Did you ever wonder why they call them a cartel? Kinda like a drug cartel..
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Supply and demand or any other logic is not what is "fueling" fuel prices.
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The prices are due the fact that you cannot do anything about it. They can charge whatever the market will bear. Don't waste your breath on complaining. The oil industry provides 7-8 out of every 10 jobs. Maybe it's 9 out of every 10 jobs are somehow related to oil. Plastics, Cosmetics, Transportation, Electronics, Manufacturing, etc etc.. The keyboard you are typing on , the chair you're sitting on and the electricity to power your PC are all related directly or indirectly to oil.
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Refineries in the US have slowly been closing up, due to EPA guidelines and restrictions. The cost of upgrades is to costly for the oil companies. There is not a shortage of oil, however a shortage in refineries.

Supply & demand are driving prices. Speculation on Wall Street is not helping either!
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just remember
electric cars run on coal
when ev have to pay a road tax on recharge it will be cheaper to drive our gassers and dp,s
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Electric cars have arrived, and they’ve brought with them a social dilemma. American roads are maintained largely (and quite poorly) through the gas tax, a user fee that owners of electric cars — with no need to stop at the pump — will avoid. The situation has some people shouting this isn't fair, That crowd includes state Senators from Washington, who have proposed a bill that would charge new electric buyers a $100 fee to compensate:

“Electric cars will be driving on the highways right along with all the other cars. One of our biggest issues is preservation and maintenance of our existing highways. We believe they should be paying their fair share,” Haugen, the lead sponsor, said Monday.
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