Options for towing a 9,000lb trailer - as I now see it.

[mre]

Originally Posted by Gavenger

If the F-150 HDPP is so great, why dont they offer the 3.5EB with 10 speed trans in the F-250? It has higher HP/TQ than the 6.2L. The 6speed most likely is beefier than the 10 speed, and coupled with the much larger frame of the F250 gives it that 5,000# increase in towing. So wouldn't mating a 3.5EB to the 6 speed be better than the 6.2L?

Or in a gas motothome?

[tuffr2]

Actually, I believe the Eco-Boost is great for a Ford gasoline engine. You need to drive a F-150 5.4 litre from 2010. Then drive the Eco-Boost from 2011 to appreciate that motor. To top the zippy, smile inducing feeling the engine can also tow reasonably well.

But my F-250, which weighs 1,500lbs more has more of what is needed for towing. On the 2017 and newer super duty you need to look at the way the hitch in integrated into the frame...wow I am impressed.

But for a half ton truck the Eco-Boost rules when solo or towing.

2020 Ford model year trucks will be redesigned. Rumor has it a 10 speed will be in those trucks.

I think in the 2018 Ford Raptor the Eco-Boost is tuned to produce more power than the 6.8 V10 offered in motorhomes. But in 2020 Ford is looking to replace the 6.8 V10 motor with a 7.x litre V8 motor.

[steve52]

Originally Posted by Gavenger

If the F-150 HDPP is so great, why dont they offer the 3.5EB with 10 speed trans in the F-250? It has higher HP/TQ than the 6.2L. The 6speed most likely is beefier than the 10 speed, and coupled with the much larger frame of the F250 gives it that 5,000# increase in towing. So wouldn't mating a 3.5EB to the 6 speed be better than the 6.2L?

Duty cycle. Turbo motors produce large amounts of heat when on the boost, and HD trucks are far more likely to be used for continuous heavy duty chores than any half ton.

[Demiles]

Originally Posted by steve52

Duty cycle. Turbo motors produce large amounts of heat when on the boost, and HD trucks are far more likely to be used for continuous heavy duty chores than any half ton.

When in boost they burn a lot of fuel, so they lose the fuel economy advantage too.

[Demiles]

The study has been done.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.do...chstudy-v2.pdf

[BigSkyCountr]

These discussions are always fun! lol

[DirtRider]

Originally Posted by tuffr2

Actually, I believe the Eco-Boost is great for a Ford gasoline engine. You need to drive a F-150 5.4 litre from 2010. Then drive the Eco-Boost from 2011 to appreciate that motor. To top the zippy, smile inducing feeling the engine can also tow reasonably well.

But my F-250, which weighs 1,500lbs more has more of what is needed for towing. On the 2017 and newer super duty you need to look at the way the hitch in integrated into the frame...wow I am impressed.

But for a half ton truck the Eco-Boost rules when solo or towing.

2020 Ford model year trucks will be redesigned. Rumor has it a 10 speed will be in those trucks.

I think in the 2018 Ford Raptor the Eco-Boost is tuned to produce more power than the 6.8 V10 offered in motorhomes. But in 2020 Ford is looking to replace the 6.8 V10 motor with a 7.x litre V8 motor.

Just to be clear, the 3.5 ecoboost has made more power than the 2V V10 from day 1.

[tuffr2]

I knew it was close that the Eco-Boost produced more power than the 2V V-10 but did not look. Ford really needs to retire that V-10 engine. It will be interesting how much power the new 7.x litre engine produces. It has to be more powerful the the Eco-Boost you would think.

[Cumminsfan]

Doesn't have to be more powerful as long as the duty cycle is better.

[RVPioneer]

Originally Posted by Demiles

The study has been done.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.do...chstudy-v2.pdf

Now we know where our fuel tax dollars are being wasted. Of course, as always, more research is needed.

[RoadDogYVR]

Originally Posted by Demiles

The only problem with this thread is it assumes all 9,000lb trailers will have equal stability which they don’t. Maury82 may have a good towing combination but that doesn’t mean everyone else will too. The reality is most trailers that size will need a TV with more mass to control its less than perfect characteristics.

This.

I used to tow a 28' race trailer that tipped the scales JUST over the trailer towing capacity of my 2008 F150 XLT 2WD 5.4 Triton CC 6.5' and with a WDH, it towed fantastic with next to no sway. A perfect towing experience.

My current TT (see my signature) sits higher on the off-road suspension, weighs between 6000 and 6500 lb "wet" and tends to "dance" a lot more with cross winds on the newer truck. Curb weight on the two trucks should be pretty close to identical given the '08 wasn't aluminum frame and body but was only 2WD.

I would never consider towing an offroad trailer like mine if it was much longer with my current tow vehicle. Weight is a factor but so is length, design, trailer sidewall profile as well as where you tow it.

My trailer weighs more than my tow vehicle when loaded with all our stuff and that poses it's own problems but my daily driver tractor weighs about 20k lbs and my load is around 120,000 lbs so you do get used to it but towing dynamics are different from combination to combination.

[elliott-maine]

Why not buy a 2500/250. You may find the trailer you want doesn't fit you needs and you will have the truck tow it if it is heavier. For that matter, a 3500/350 isn't that much more anyway, and you may want that in the future anyway. When picks were in the $4k range new, trading up was easier. The price of pickups today is staggering, especially when you remember when they were less expensive than cars.

[StaceyE]

Originally Posted by RoadDogYVR

This.

I used to tow a 28' race trailer that tipped the scales JUST over the trailer towing capacity of my 2008 F150 XLT 2WD 5.4 Triton CC 6.5' and with a WDH, it towed fantastic with next to no sway. A perfect towing experience.

My current TT (see my signature) sits higher on the off-road suspension, weighs between 6000 and 6500 lb "wet" and tends to "dance" a lot more with cross winds on the newer truck. Curb weight on the two trucks should be pretty close to identical given the '08 wasn't aluminum frame and body but was only 2WD.

Just to be clear, the F150 has a high strength steel frame and an aluminum body.

[barko1]

Originally Posted by elliott-maine

Why not buy a 2500/250.

I bought a diesel F250 crew cab long bed 4x4 for $47000+, it's not stripped but not loaded with extras I don't want or need. A great tow vehicle. Of course it has great power for going up hills, twice the ecoboost and at vastly lower revs, but as a bonus it has the engine break, wonderful for coming down mountains without having to be on the brakes.