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Old 06-02-2014, 11:16 AM   #29
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Thanks all !!
Going to go out and hook-up my 37 foot Jayco to my old Ford Pinto (with bumper hitch ) hitch .,and hit the road !!! Hell, the bumper drags a bit, but what the hell !!!

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Thanks all !!
Going to go out and hook-up my 37 foot Jayco to my old Ford Pinto (with bumper hitch ) hitch .,and hit the road !!! Hell, the bumper drags a bit, but what the hell !!!

Ha Ha
Add air bags and ROLL! Pintos are quite the capable TV properly modded!
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Plus the trailer protects from rear end collisions, a definite safety issue with Pintos!
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Regarding OUI and insurance.. Eventually a repeat drunk driver gets listed on his spouse's insurance as a "NAMED EXCLUDED DRIVER". (or his girl friends)

So when the idiot who had managed to get so listed and also to get his license revoked, and put on parole "May not operate" ran from the cops, blasted through a barraicade with he GF's brand new Denalli class Pick up, slid out on the rails for the yet to be concreated bridge and actually hit a workman causing injury (minor but still injury) thus earning an extended visit to the state retirement facitlty for criminals (Prison).

She found out what NAMED EXCLUDED means.. It means "You gotta pay pay pay cause we won't"

Hopefully she has now chosen a new boyfriend... Her old one still has a few years of retirement left.
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Old 06-02-2014, 06:37 PM   #33
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Next time you are at a camp ground or on the highway, take a look around at the trucks towing trailers. I would guess that about half the rigs I see are "overloaded". Lots of 28'-30'+ trailers being towed by half ton trucks. Likewise I see giant 5ers towed by small 3/4 ton trucks. So, what happens most of the time is... nothing. Does it make it right? Probably not. Is it recommended? Probably not. Is it done frequently by tens of thousands all summer long? Probably so. I'm probably overloaded with my Ecoboost F150 towing my 28' Jayco that weighs 7000 as delivered. I know I'm close on payload capacity and I drive accordingly. I would prefer a big one ton diesel, but I don't need that much truck for the 320+ days a year when I am not towing my trailer. If I had it to do over again, I would probably opt for the F250. That will probably happen in the next few years. For now, I'm comfortable where I am. Just be safe and don't go crazy. Some people think you are overloaded at 80% of the max. Others think you can go a few hundred over the max. There is no right answer to your question which is why your wall is starting to have a head print in it.
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Old 06-04-2014, 03:29 PM   #34
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Rules and regulations vary between states and provinces which means what is legal and covered in Minnesota may very well be illegal elsewhere.
Even if it is not illegal it doesn't automatically make it safe or can be recommended.
I never said it was safe or smart. The only thing I said was even if you are overweight your insurance will cover you. I said nothing about state motor vehicle laws. The officer quoted in Minnesota said the same thing. Your insurance will cover you UNLESS there is a case of gross negligence on the part of the driver of the overweight vehicle.
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I never said it was safe or smart. The only thing I said was even if you are overweight your insurance will cover you. I said nothing about state motor vehicle laws. The officer quoted in Minnesota said the same thing. Your insurance will cover you UNLESS there is a case of gross negligence on the part of the driver of the overweight vehicle.
So it's not the insurance or law that might get you, but the lawyers. The laws of physics are also hard to ignore. Inertia, momentum, balance, harmonics, all can't be ignored.
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Engine will be fine tho slow on hills.

Try to get brakes on all 4 trailer wheels.

The real weak link will be your tranny. It will most likely overheat which will lead to premature failure.
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To answer your question, it depends on how much you overload and also your driving style. If you are around 500# over your GCWR, probably nothing, unless you are pushing your speed. If you are 500# over your tire ratings, then you could have a tire failure, depending on speed and ambient temperature. If you are 500# over GVWR, again probably nothing, unless you are pushing your speed again.
I am not advocating running over, just telling what can happen. As you increase the amount you are over, you increase the chances and things that can go wrong, overheating, tire failures, suspension failures etc.
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Thanks All-- Didn't realize i was asking such a loaded question. I have no !!!!! intent on doing it,as said -just curious- what would show first,engine temp, trans. temp., never thought about tire failure !!!

Thanks to all you had constructive input.

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So it's not the insurance or law that might get you, but the lawyers. The laws of physics are also hard to ignore. Inertia, momentum, balance, harmonics, all can't be ignored.
You are missing my point. Inertia, physics, balance, harmonics, or what ever you call it has nothing to do with what I have been saying. The statement was made about your insurance not covering you if you are overweight. I am trying to explain that you WILL be covered. Plain and simple. Don't believe me? Go ask your insurance agent.
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Some food for thought. Just about every truck out on the road is overloaded, by as much as 20,000, 30,000 lbs or more.
So it probably won't hurt to go over the stated limits by a thousand pounds or more.
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You are missing my point. Inertia, physics, balance, harmonics, or what ever you call it has nothing to do with what I have been saying. The statement was made about your insurance not covering you if you are overweight. I am trying to explain that you WILL be covered. Plain and simple. Don't believe me? Go ask your insurance agent.
I got your point, insurance will pay in case of an accident. That sounds like it's O.K. to try it. I and others were pointing dangers beyond insurance or 'getting caught' by police for being overweight. In an accident, a lawyer would use the fact you were beyond the ratings of your vehicle and take you to the cleaners in civil court. That's not even considering the harm to your own property and FAMILY. Insurance won't replace a child or spouse.

Folks that 'boast' about, "I tow overweight all the time," "I've driven XXXXX miles and never had brakes on my toad" aren't helping folks asking for advice in a very responsible manner. Just to say insurance will pay for your mistakes is not responsible advice in my opinion.

Science and engineering will win out in the long run.
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Exactly. I am well aware of the dangers of running overweight. I have been behind the wheel of one truck that weighed a little bit above 122,000 pounds. I even pulled it with a Cummins 350. Yes, I drove semis for a living and yes, I have been caught overweight.
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