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Jshopes81 · 10-26-2019, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

Trucks in the 1960's - my dad always had a truck on the small farm. I think he decided it was over loaded when the rear bumper touch the ground or the exhaust touched. I forget which he used. I do remember he welded the frame back together a few times. When I visited the neighbors to play baseball their dad was welding his truck frame together. It was a common to be welding on the truck frames back in those days. These farmers over loaded their trucks all the time but never drove on the highway at 70mph over loaded. Typically it was thru a field and then a few miles on back roads.

Then in the early 80's he bought a new(ish) 1980 F-150 with a camper shell. I was out if the house by then and just remember it was red. So for those 20 years (1960 to 1980) I do not remember any talk about being over loaded.

The NHTSA started in 1971 but they had did not worry about trucks as they had their hands full with death trap cars. Even today the lobby groups stopped the EPA from putting fuel economy on 250/2500 series and up trucks.

Looking up GVWR I find it started in the late 1950's with Commercial semi trucks and that limit was used to build roads and bridges. From what I found it was set at 73,280lbs.

Also from 1960 to 1980 there were not many travel trailers being built.

It is interesting to see RV industry start in my lifetime, same for computers, cell phones, Google, fuel injection, velcro.

I think payload capacity stickers started around 2000.

Also GVWR is a valid thing. Using the axle rating is the old way of calculating what a vehicle can carry but there are other things like suspension and brakes etc that go into calculating GVWR. The vehicle driving dynamics are also used. Every vehicle has a cargo capacity thanks to the NHTSA.
(National Highway Traffic Safey Administration). Our car is 900lbs.

So in a nutshell. It is no longer valid to say front axle is 5,000lbs and rear axle is 6,000lbs thus my GVWR is 11,000lbs. Again, there are other factors that go into calculating GVWR by the manufactuer.

To the OP - with a payload of 2,155lbs you have to decide if you are going to ignore it or not.

My 98, 00, and both 03 trucks have not had payload stickers from gm and ford so it was after that. Gawr doesnt really change year to year. Gvwr changes ALOT even if the part numbers are identical year to year gvwrs can change. I dont buy that.

Captn John · 10-26-2019, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by hans-barak

Yes 3 slides and island. Beautiful but I am crazy and was thinking going 5th wheel route. I towed this TT with Toyota Tundra, was feeling it up hills and gas was going like crazy. Than I got into F250 gas with 3700 payload I believe but it was rough heavy duty shocks were heavy duty and just stif ride. 8 months later got into Denali HD and would never go back into gas truck. But I am disappointed I can’t get KZ Durango lol

A350/3500 would have provided 1000 to 1500# more payload. In 2015 I bought a 250 and in 2016 traded for a 350. I went from 2400 to 3500# payload. My neighbor just went from a 17 f250 to a 19 f350. Wife saw the 19 Montana we had to have so now a19 f350 drw payload 5598. Diesel 3/4 have surprisingly low numbers.

hans-barak · 10-26-2019, 05:37 PM

Saw this flagstar TT but it’s not bunk beds. My is bunks with separate room and 3 slide outs with plenty of space plus 35’ long. Denali handless it perfectly unlike tundra or F250 which were horrible, tundra for sway, gas and payload and F250 for gas and sway as well.

Rhagfo · 10-27-2019, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jshopes81

My 98, 00, and both 03 trucks have not had payload stickers from gm and ford so it was after that. Gawr doesnt really change year to year. Gvwr changes ALOT even if the part numbers are identical year to year gvwrs can change. I dont buy that.

Vehicle Payload "Yellow" stickers came about 2006, some manufactures had them a bit earlier, but required in 2006.

In my opinion they are only good until the vehicle leaves the sales lot. Once off the lot anything added by the new owner reduces that number, sometimes greatly.

tuffr2 · 10-27-2019, 07:33 PM

I was going to say around 2005 but 2006 is probably right.

So in 2005 the only thing to go on was rear axle and tires. The DOT regs were never updated is my guess.

Jshopes81 · 10-27-2019, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

I was going to say around 2005 but 2006 is probably right.

So in 2005 the only thing to go on was rear axle and tires. The DOT regs were never updated is my guess.

No, you still had a gvwr at that point. My 75 highboy was 7700lbs gvwr from the factory. They just took the guess work out of how much your truck weighs.

tuffr2 · 10-27-2019, 08:00 PM

Commercial trucks were regulated much sooner then the personal pick-up trucks I think. Any google search I do brings up commercial vehicles. Again the focus was building roads and bridges that could support the weight of the commercial trucks.

laj · 10-27-2019, 08:00 PM

that gvwr meant you had the 3550 frt. axle and rear overloads. my 76 had the same. sure wish i had it back[emoji20]

Jshopes81 · 10-27-2019, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by laj

that gvwr meant you had the 3550 frt. axle and rear overloads. my 76 had the same. sure wish i had it back[emoji20]

I just traded it off actually. It had a ton of stuff done but was starting to get soft again from sitting. I traded it for an old shovelhead fxr. The bike will be easier to store. I felt bad about the truck but i owned it since 00 and wasnt making any progress on it.

laj · 10-27-2019, 08:07 PM

i’m looking for the right one to tear apart and do a complete frame off major restoration. those were made out of real metal.

laj · 10-27-2019, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

I was going to say around 2005 but 2006 is probably right.

So in 2005 the only thing to go on was rear axle and tires. The DOT regs were never updated is my guess.

my ‘97 has the weight capacity listed. can’t remember if it says cargo, or payload capacity. i’ll have to look in the morning.

hans-barak · 10-29-2019, 09:04 AM

So based on this calculator I found online from keepyourdaydream.com/payload, it confirms over payload and GVWR if I go KZ route. This is also based on KZ’s dry weight. Thought I would share and I think it’s a cool calculator that puts everything into perspective.