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Old 02-24-2015, 02:11 PM   #1
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I have a 2015 F350 CC short box 4x4 diesel. Book says GVWR is 11,500lbs. I weighed it at CAT scale with full fuel, people, hitch etc and it was 8,900 lbs. in simple numbers does this mean my fifth wheel trailer loaded pin weight can be up to 2,600 lbs?
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Old 02-24-2015, 02:30 PM   #3
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Yes, provided you have that much weight rating available on the rear axle,(RAWR), and gross combined vehicle weight, (GCVWR). The last one is the total of your loaded truck and trailer combined.
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As keymastr mentions, you need to know what the rear axle rating is, AND what it already has sitting on it. 2600lbs may put you over that rating when loaded for camping.
No matter what, be sure not to exceed the combined weight rating on the rear tires.
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Old 02-25-2015, 10:19 AM   #6
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I have a 2015 F350 CC short box 4x4 diesel. Book says GVWR is 11,500lbs. I weighed it at CAT scale with full fuel, people, hitch etc and it was 8,900 lbs. in simple numbers does this mean my fifth wheel trailer loaded pin weight can be up to 2,600 lbs?
Yes, with lots of fine print. On a Ford, the GVWR is usually your limiter, but just in case also check your rear GAWR. DO NOT exceed any of Ford's weight ratings, but GVWR of the pickup is the most likely first weight rating you'll hit.

With 20% pin weight of most smaller 5ers, that means you can tow a trailer with GVWR up to about 13,000 pounds. That's a nice medium-size 5er, but there are lots of others out there that have GVWR more than that.

And by the time you have the 5er tied on, you'll probably also have added some weight to the bed of the truck, such as tools and jacks. So I'd limit the 53ers considered to those with less than 12,500 GVWR.

The GVWR of the 5er is of concern only when matching trailer to tow vehicle. After you buy the trailer, the CAT scale will not easily tell you GVW or pin weight of the trailer. So when checking the CAT scale ticket, compare the combined weight on the front and rear axles of the tow vehicle to the GVWR of the tow vehicle. Compare the combined weight on the trailer axles to the combined trailer GAWR. If your trailer has two 3,500 pound axles, then your combined GAWR for the trailer will be 7,000 pounds. If your trailer has two 5,000 pound axles, then your combined GAWR for the trailer will be 10,000 pounds. If your 5er has 16" tires, then the axle ratings might be 6,000 pounds each, or 12,000 pounds combined GAWR. That's probably the heaviest 5er you can tow without exceeding the GVWR of the tow vehicle.
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I have a 2015 F350 CC short box 4x4 diesel. Book says GVWR is 11,500lbs. I weighed it at CAT scale with full fuel, people, hitch etc and it was 8,900 lbs. in simple numbers does this mean my fifth wheel trailer loaded pin weight can be up to 2,600 lbs?
No, not quite. How much do you weigh? How much does your passenger(s) weigh? How much does your 5th wheel hitch weigh? How much does everything else you put in/on the truck weigh?

All of those will need to be subtracted from the 2600 lb difference. Then, that will indicate how much the 5th wheel pin weight can be.

Of course, this all assumes that the RAWR will not be exceeded.

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No, not quite. How much do you weigh? How much does your passenger(s) weigh? How much does your 5th wheel hitch weigh? How much does everything else you put in/on the truck weigh?

All of those will need to be subtracted from the 2600 lb difference. Then, that will indicate how much the 5th wheel pin weight can be.

Of course, this all assumes that the RAWR will not be exceeded.

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The OP wrote "I weighed it at CAT scale with full fuel, people, hitch etc and it was 8,900 lbs.". Seems like he covered it all.
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As many are saying here you need to make sure you are under on both axles and the GVWR of the truck with the trailer on. Most likely you'll be over on the GVWR and/or the Rear axle weight rating. By the time you get people in the truck, firewood, chairs, food, clothing, etc, it all adds up. Just take the whole thing to the scales and weigh each axle and compare it to your weight ratings. I've shared on other threads, but here is my explanation https://youtu.be/6hF1HMi3Fs8
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The scale weight is wrong. Your truck as you stated can only weight about 8200 lbs. If compared to my setup.
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The scale weight is wrong. Your truck as you stated can only weight about 8200 lbs. If compared to my setup.
8,900 lbs does sound a little high for a short bed (even a 4x4 diesel), but maybe he has a big tool box or something else on board that is very heavy.
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You're right Paz. I have the same truck year and set up that Captainkoop has and I weighed my at the scale full of fuel and the misc. stuff that is carried inside and it weighed 8235 lbs.
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Perhaps Captainkoop has a lot more "etc." than you do...
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What will you be hauling in the garage of the toy hauler? That has a lot to do with what your pin weight is going to be and from my experience you need to have some weight back there or your pin weight will be heavier than published from the factory. I had an F250 before and I was over my rear axle weight rating when I had it weighed but had very little in the garage and tools and firewood in the bed, maybe 75 pounds worth. My fresh water tank (rear of toy hauler) was also empty but I started keeping it full after I weighed it. Toy haulers need some decent weight in the garage, at least the Fuzions do.
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