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Old 04-05-2005, 12:51 PM   #1
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I am trying to find the pin weight on a 5th wheel RV. It is a 1997, 28 foot Wilderness Mfg. by Fleetwood.

I know how to find info on current modles, but not older ones.

If anyone knows the pin weight, or knows how I can find it, I sure could use some help.
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Old 04-05-2005, 12:51 PM   #2
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I am trying to find the pin weight on a 5th wheel RV. It is a 1997, 28 foot Wilderness Mfg. by Fleetwood.

I know how to find info on current modles, but not older ones.

If anyone knows the pin weight, or knows how I can find it, I sure could use some help.
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Old 04-05-2005, 01:00 PM   #3
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I had a 1998 Wilderness 28' model 275T that has a pin weight of 1,190 #. The following is from my 1998 Wilderness brochure:

27-5J 1,070#

27-5N 1,030#


These are dry pin weights. You would need to add about 20-25% to account for whatever you pack into the trailer. I have to believe that the pin weight would not have changed all that much from `97 to `98.

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Old 04-05-2005, 06:12 PM   #4
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Published "Pin Weights" are approximate only. They can be out by +- 20%. Only way to know for sure is weigh it yourself.
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Old 04-06-2005, 10:04 PM   #5
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Normally they put an info sheet inside of the kitchen cabinet also. I realize that with a trailer that old it may not be there, however it is worth looking for. As others have stated the numbers listed are for a stripped down base model so you will actually have to ge ot a scale ans weigh the truck trailer combo and separate to get the true hitch weight as loaded.
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Old 04-07-2005, 04:24 AM   #6
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If you need a number for a thumbnail calculation, 20% of the 5th wheel's GVWR is normally fairly conservative for a loaded RV.

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Assuming the mfgr published pin weights are representative; most all calculate to between 14%(Titanium), and 18% (HR Presidential, Hitchhiker, etc). I did not find even one mfgr that calculated to 20% of the 5er weight. This is advertised weights only. We just bought a Grand Junction 5er, and the advertised weights amazingly enough, were accurate. I weighed both truck and new 5er on a CAT scale prior to purchase. Actually weighing your rig on a CAT scale is the best $8 you'll spend.
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Please note where the basement storage is located on most 5th wheels, as well as propane tanks, 2nd A/C units, etc. Advertised dry pin weights don't reflect the fact that a lot of the incremental weight of an actual, loaded 5th wheel is being placed well forward of the axles where it severely impacts pin weight.

The actual laden pin weight of our previous Jayco Designer 3610RLTS was 20% of the total laden weight. I've seen other scale results for other laden 5th wheels that produce pin weights as high as 25% and some as low as 16% - that's why I said that 20% of GVWR is not a bad number to use for a thumbnail calculation.

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Old 04-11-2005, 05:13 AM   #9
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To add to Rusty's comments, the following weight was added to my 5th wheel after delivery from the factory:
propane - 80 lbs,
batteries - 120 lbs,
generator - 160 lbs,
hitch - 190 lbs.

Much of the weight of the above items end up on the pin. The 190 lb hitch comes off the truck's usefull load right from the get-go. See the link in my sig on RV wiehgts for more details.
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Old 04-14-2005, 09:29 PM   #10
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Ken, You can only get 64lbs. of LPG into two 40 pound tanks due to the OPD valve that closes at 80% of capacity. The hitch does not add to the pin weight, it adds to the truck weight. There are so many variables and add-ons that I just used the published figures, otherwise the calculations were useless. The CAT scales are guranteed accurate, and super easy to use. Speaking of hitches, our new 5er has the mor-ryde axles,and pin box, it really makes a difference in towing!
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The 190 lb hitch comes off the truck's usefull load right from the get-go. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The 80# propane was mentioned as an exmaple of additional weights that are not obvious. I did not intend the list to be a critical analysis.
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Appears to me that anything added to the truck bed (including the hitch) adds to the pin weight of the trailer. While not necessarily a part of the trailer weight when unhitched it becomes relative when the rig is hooked up. I agree with Ken's comment.
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I would hate to guess how much extra pin weight is added by the full wardrobe in the closet out over the pin, the few we change out after a trip are hard enough to carry, much less everything in that closet
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Howdy, I'm new to this 5er stuff. I pulled the 29'er home from Santee, about 100 miles last summer, but haven't taken it anywhere. It was supposed to be for son-in-law to live in. We've since had a 'falling out' and the inside was TRASHED. Rotting food in fridge, crap on the walls, fleas etc. Sorry. When I take this rig to get it weighed, how do I get just the 'pin weight'? Are the people working at the scales tolerant of us RVers?
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