Go Back   iRV2 Forums > TRAVEL TRAILER, 5th WHEEL & TRUCK CAMPER FORUMS > Trailer Towing and Tow Vehicles Discussion
Click Here to Login
Join iRV2 Today

Mission Statement: Supporting thoughtful exchange of knowledge, values and experience among RV enthusiasts.
Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on iRV2
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 09-07-2013, 03:37 AM   #1
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: ms
Posts: 5
Ram 3500 DRW and airbag question

Hi all,

I have a 2010 Ram 3500 CC DRW that is fitted with a B&W turnoverball hitch and companion. We are currently towing a 2011 Blue Ridge 3125RT that has a hitch weight of 1975lbs. With the BR attached, the Ram sits level.
We are about to take delivery on a new Montana 3750FL with a hitch weight of 2270lbs. I was considering adding a set of Firestone air bags to help compensate for the additional 295lbs of hitch weight. It may be unnecessary and it may be overkill but I would prefer the truck to sit level instead of me being able to go coon hunting when I'm driving at night because the lights shining into the heavens.
I do have some concerns about the upper mount on the air bag fitting properly as the top is bolted in the old bump stop location and up against the frame rail.
Has anyone that is using the B&W hitch set up added the air bags to their truck? Any issues during installation or when in use?
__________________

__________________
hybridhauler is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 09-07-2013, 10:53 AM   #2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 4,232
I would hook up to the new trailer then see how it does. I bet it won't do much more to the truck.
__________________

__________________
jesilvas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 11:35 AM   #3
Senior Member
 
Bill Davey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Oswego, NY
Posts: 120
I have a 2012 Ram 3500 DRW and was considering air bags to raise the back of the truck when towing. However, I just measured 4 inches actual drop with 2,600 pounds pin weight. At that level, the truck is just barely into the helper springs (about 2 inches). So IMO if air bags raised the truck 2 inches, they would cause the truck to constantly bounce off the helper springs.

I also realized that the truck sits high in the rear when not towing and I've gotten used to that attitude. Loaded feels much lower in the rear than it actually is. I have considered adjusting the head lights, but we almost never tow at night.

My advice is drive it the way it is and only mess with it if you absolutely have to. Forums are loaded with people who either love or hate air bags - choice is yours.
__________________
Central New York; 2016 Rockwood 2604WS travel trailer
2014 Ram 1500 Laramie Eco Diesel; 2002 Harley Heritage Classic
Bill Davey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 01:17 PM   #4
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 63
Get the air bags. You will not have any issue lifting your rear end level and keeping weight on your front end. Steering and breaking will improve.
__________________
gundog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 01:25 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 4,232
Quote:
Originally Posted by gundog View Post
Get the air bags. You will not have any issue lifting your rear end level and keeping weight on your front end. Steering and breaking will improve.
How does lifting the rear throw weight to the front? It doesn't shift the point where the tongue weight is being applied.
__________________
jesilvas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 01:27 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 116
I installed the Firestone bags along with the Airlift onboard compressor and auto leveling sensor - best thing I ever did for the truck! The sensor allows the bags to fill or dump according to the load, and the truck tows better than any other 1-ton I ever drove.......... JB
__________________
pivotdoc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-07-2013, 04:54 PM   #7
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: ms
Posts: 5
Thanks for the replies, obtaining and installing the bags is not really an issue. My main question was will I have any issues installing the air bags since I already have the B&W hitch installed.
__________________
hybridhauler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2013, 08:23 AM   #8
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 116
I installed both the hitch and air bag system at the same time, when the truck was new. No problems whatsoever - BUT my truck is an '08 model.................. JB
__________________
pivotdoc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2013, 08:31 AM   #9
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: ms
Posts: 5
Thanks doc, Your information was pretty much verified on another forum. I can't wait to install the airbags and pull the new Montana
__________________
hybridhauler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2013, 12:59 PM   #10
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 63
Jesilvas, your trucks frame is torqued downward under heavy load in the rear which in turn lifts the front of the frame thereby removing a portion of the front weight off the front tires. Air bags will lift the weight and the frame removing some of the torque from the frame and returning the weight back to the front tires. The tongue weight from the trailer will remain on the rear axles with less torque on the frame. Just my .02
__________________
gundog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2013, 02:08 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 4,232
I'd be interested to see if it really works that way with weight tickets. I understand the truck is squatting and I can see how it might shift some weight, but I wouldn't think it would shift enough to matter.
__________________
jesilvas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-08-2013, 08:46 PM   #12
Moderator Emeritus
 
TXiceman's Avatar


 
Vintage RV Owners Club
Texas Boomers Club
Oklahoma Boomers Club
Ford Super Duty Owner
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Full Time, TX Home Base
Posts: 17,150
Blog Entries: 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by gundog View Post
Jesilvas, your trucks frame is torqued downward under heavy load in the rear which in turn lifts the front of the frame thereby removing a portion of the front weight off the front tires. Air bags will lift the weight and the frame removing some of the torque from the frame and returning the weight back to the front tires. The tongue weight from the trailer will remain on the rear axles with less torque on the frame. Just my .02

I'd like to see that in practice. Where did you study vector mechanics and physics? Like above, show me some scale tickets.

I can also bet that a loaded Montana 37 ft FL will have way more than 2200# pin weight. Better figure on 20% of the trailer GVWR as an estimate for the pin weight.

Ken
__________________
Amateur Radio Operator (KE5DFR)|Full-Time! - 2012 6.7L Ford Crew Cab Dually -2013 HitchHiker Champagne 38RLRSB - Travel with one Standard Schnauzer and one small Timneh African Gray Parrot
TXiceman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2013, 05:31 PM   #13
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 63
Well, I was just giving a reply to a question I was asked. but as you feel the need to get personal on the issue....Yep, I have a degree but not in the area you would like me to have it in like I am sure you both do, just 40+ years of towing and hauling experience. I apologize for giving input that was contrary to your views and will try to refrain in the future. That being said, I would like your thoughts on this; When you have a real heavy load in your bed, the front of your truck is lifted up two to three inches and have a lite steering feel, what is happening and why the light steering. Thank you
__________________
gundog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2013, 08:39 PM   #14
Senior Member
 
wingnut60's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Wherever the Suites is
Posts: 2,984
I have put air bags on 2 Ford 350s equipped with the B&W hitch and had no problem with them fitting--would not know about Dodges.

I do think you will have way more than a 295lb increase in the pin weight with the new trailer, so air bags may help.

Joe
__________________

__________________
'15 38RSSA Mobile Suites
'05 36TK3 Mobile Suites--retired but not forgotten
'17 F450--trying one more Ford
'09 F450--died, replaced with '10--retired
wingnut60 is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:51 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.