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Old 09-03-2013, 03:52 PM   #1
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Show us your numbers (gcwr)

Hey everyone I figured with all the talk of people towing and trying to figure out there Tow capacities I would post my #s so maybe it will help someone if they are thinking about buying a truck like mine
The reason I went to the scale is because I am looking to purchase a 5W and I wanted to figure out what I can safely tow (I really do not want to go over 10000 Total Trailer weight


I have a 2013 Ford F350 4X4 Crew Cab Short Bed with a 6.2 gas motor
Ford specs this trucks GCWR at 19000 lbs
My Cat scale Numbers are
Base Truck Full of Gas 350 pounds of junk in the bed My wife and I in the front

Front Axle 4460
Drive Axle 3740
Total GW 8200

Ok now I came home from a weekend trip with the travel trailer
and here are the numbers
Truck with my wife and I and two kids in the back, 500 pounds of junk in the bed 1/4 tank of gas
Trailer is a 2010 Coachman Catalina 28 BHS

Front Axle 4260
Drive Axle 5340
Trailer Axles 5680
Total GW 15280

Post your own numbers so other people can see the difference in setups


My Truck and Trailer Specs
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Old 09-03-2013, 09:18 PM   #2
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Mine is front 4400#, rear 6600#, trailer 12,500#. Truck GVWR 11,400#, trailer GVWR 16,240#, GCWR on truck is 22,000#, actual is 23,500#. Now I do have some mods done to the truck, tow tune, K&N intake, and 4" Bully dog stainless exhaust,and 10ply stock size tires on aluminum wheels over the standard 8 ply tires on steel wheels, also full air ride on the rear(no steel springs), also have boost and Exhaust gas temperature gauges to watch what is going on under the hood. The above weights are with 400# of people on board, full regular fuel tank and about 30 gal of fuel in the auxilary tank. The 5er was loaded for a long weekend with about 30 gal of fresh water and empty waste tanks.
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Old 09-03-2013, 09:21 PM   #3
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My gvwr's and gcwr are below. The scales showed GCW of 8880, Vehicle GW (all people, dog and cargo loaded, including full fuel tanks) 5400, Trailer GW (fully loaded) 3480, Trailer axle when on the vehicle 3100, therefore tongue wt 380 (11% of trailer GW)
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Old 09-03-2013, 09:43 PM   #4
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2002 Chev Avalanche 4x4 5.3L w/3:73 gears
2005 Keystone Outback 21rs
Drawtite WDH w/friction sway control

My #s
I don't have individual axle weights from the scales.

Truck
GVWR 7000#
Frt axle 3800#
Rear axle 4000#
CVWR 13000#

Trailer
GVWR 5500#
2 axles 2750# each

On the scale

Truck
6980#

Trailer
5000#

Total
11980#.

Truck by self 6160# w/ full tank no family or gear.

Was weighed with WDH engaged.
I understand I should weigh individually and check tongue weight.

The scaled weight was taken on route to our camping destination. Food, clothing etc. on board. The fuel tank was a little over 3/4, the holding tanks were empty.

So the truck was at max (under 20#), likely over when fuel is full, the trailer was under by 500# (but should I include tongue weight with trailer weight?, the axles will take the 5500 2750x2?
And under the combined weight (13000) by 1020#.

So I now know for sure that the 7300# tow rating is NOT a good guide for a new trailer. ( 13000 CVWR - 6160 TV weight =6840).

Note: on the weight sheet steer axle is truck and drive axle is trailer.

Hope this is clear as mud.
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:35 AM   #5
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Your numbers:

Front Axle 4,260 compared to front GAWR of 6,000 = nowhere close to the max load

Drive Axle 5,340 compared to rear GAWR of 7,000 = nowhere close to the max load

GVW = 9,600 compared to 11,300 GCWR = nowhere close to the max load

Trailer Axles = 5,680 compared to combined trailer GAWR of 5,500 (2750 x 2) = OOPS! Your trailer axles are overloaded.

Total GW 15,280 compared to GCWR of 19,000 = nowhere close to the max load

So you're in excellent condition as far as the hauling and pulling loads on the truck. But your trailer is overloaded. Make certain your trailer tires are pumped up to the max PSI on the sidewall of the tires. And have your trailer wheel bearings repacked every spring before towing season. Maybe dumping the liquid out of the holding tanks will get you back down to under 5,500 trailer axle weight? And move some of the weight from the trailer to the pickup bed - things such as tools and jacks and extra fluids.

My numbers:

Front Axle 3,360 compared to front GAWR of 3,750 = nowhere close to the max load

Drive Axle 3,840 compared to rear GAWR of 3,850 = very, very close

GVW = 7,200 compared to 7,100 GVWR = Oops! A bit overloaded.

Trailer Axles = 4,220 compared to combined trailer GAWR of 5,600 (2,800 x 2) = nowhere close to the max load

Total GW 11,420 compared to GCWR of 14,000 = nowhere close to the max load

My fix is easy: remove the camper shell that weighs about 200 pounds. But no, I need that covered bed for the 4,000 miles round trips I make with my TT. Leave some tools and Jacks at home? No, I've too much experience in needing those tools and jacks when towing. The only practical fix is to buy a truck with more payload capacity next time.
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Hey Smokey
How is it Going
Are you the same SW on TDS site?
Anyway
My trailer Axles spec out at 3500 a piece not 2750
So really my trailer is light
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Hey Smokey
How is it Going
Are you the same SW on TDS site?
Yep. Same old man. Except I've been active on TheDieselStop (and its predecessor, Ford-Diesel.com) since 1999, but only a year or so here.
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My trailer Axles spec out at 3500 a piece not 2750
So really my trailer is light
Then why did you post
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GVWR 5500#
2 axles 2750# each"
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Yep. Same old man. Except I've been active on TheDieselStop (and its predecessor, Ford-Diesel.com) since 1999, but only a year or so here.

Then why did you post
"Trailer
GVWR 5500#
2 axles 2750# each"
Hi guys
I'm the one with the TT GVWR of 5500# with 2x2750 axles. Actual TT weight of 5000#, hopes this helps with the confusion.
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Ratings:

GVWR = 13,300
GCWR = 33,000
FAWR = 5940
RAWR = 9100

Actuals:

Truck weight = 9439
Front Axle = 5240
Rear Axle = 7860
Combined (truck & 5er) = 28,440
Pin weight = 3661

Combination weighed at Flying-J in Jarrel, TX (truck weighed at Love's in Comfort, TX)
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GVWR 6050lbs
FAWR 2950lbs
RAWR 3100lbs

196 Nomad Joey 23'
GVWR 5600lbs

Actual fully loaded;
Tonge 650lbs
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I'm the one with the TT GVWR of 5500# with 2x2750 axles. Actual TT weight of 5000#, hopes this helps with the confusion.
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Yep, my bad. Somehow I grabbed the wrong post when I was ready to reply. :(
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I haven't taken my trailer to work since getting the new truck to weight both of them together yet, but I have the numbers from new truck and numbers from the trailers last trip with old truck:

New to me 2006 Dodge 2500 SLT Quad cab 4x4 - GCWR of 20,000 lbs. Max tow of 13,000 lbs. GVWR 9,000 lbs, front GARW 5,200 lbs, rear GAWR 6,010
*AS WEIGHED - 7,100 lbs with full tank of diesel, some tools, hitch & eq bars, but NO people. 4,180# front, and 2,920# rear.

2007 26' Salem LE Toyhauler GVWR of 11,200 with up to 2,000 lbs allowed for toy in that number.
*AS WEIGHED - w/ 1,200 lb golf cart loaded and with normal weekend supplies - 9,400 lbs. 1,000# being tongue weight for that trip. WAY under trailer and trucks numbers!

Looks like I can get close to my trucks GVWR, but I have room in the trailer to move tools and any other stuff to. Usually just me, the DGF, and Nina, which come in under 500 lbs total. If her son goes, add her son and his GF, for maybe 300 lbs more, and the trailers tounge weight of 1,000# = 1,800# and I'm just 100# under my 9,000 GVWR. Tools may need to go in Toyhauler .....
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If I am reading your numbers right, the trailer weighs 19001? Is your trailer one of the ones with the tandem duals?
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