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Old 07-14-2014, 09:06 PM   #1
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ST Trailer Tires OR 10 Ply Truck Tires

I have a Fuzion 302 Toy Hauler and I need to replace the tires..looking at 10 Ply Firestone Transforce to an ST rated trailer tire like that is on the camper. The ones on it have not lasted very long(3 yrs). Some are recommending the 10 Plys.. Also, my friend has a travel trailer and considering the same tires. Any suggestions are appreciated...

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Need a little more information. What size and load rating is on the trailer now? Also, what size axles? What is the size and load rating on the Firestones that you want to put on? What is the GVWR of the trailer? With the above information, then we can give you an appropriate answer.
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With 16" rims you can go E rated Light Truck tires. You might even consider 12 or 14 ply rated LT tires.
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Old 07-15-2014, 08:32 AM   #4
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Need a little more information. What size and load rating is on the trailer now? Also, what size axles? What is the size and load rating on the Firestones that you want to put on? What is the GVWR of the trailer? With the above information, then we can give you an appropriate answer.
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I agree with the above statement.

On my trailer I am using XPS RIBS by Michelin; these are LT245/75R/16E an all position tire. I have had excellent service out of them; with mounting and balancing they were slightly under $1450 for 4 tires. But way cheaper than the $3500 repair bill for a 1 year old china tire bomb that damage the driver side of the trailer.

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Old 07-15-2014, 09:48 AM   #5
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that's what I run on my Teton but 6. XPS Ribs. They are reportedly the most trouble free tire for 16" rims. they actually weigh 55#. Typical ST weighs 20ish
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Stop! Define terms.

Assuming your trailer tires are at least 16" tires, then you can safely replace ST with LT ONLY if the LT tires are rated "all position" truck tires or "trailer position" truck tires. Get the specs of the tires you're considering from the truck website - not the pickup and car website of the tire manufacturer. Then be sure the tires are rated "all position" and not just steer or drive position.

Example: Michelin makes the 16" XPS all-position truck tire that is a great trailer tire. Michelin also makes several other LT tires that are NOT rated all position truck tires, such as the Michelin LTX tires. DO NOT run a Michelin LTX tire on a trailer. Pay the big bucks for an XPS.

Goodyear also makes a 16" LT tire rated for all-position service. And Goodyear also makes several other LT tires that are NOT rated as an all-position truck tire.

The Michelin XPS is available in only a few 16" sizes. But the most popular size for trailers is LT235/85R16E, and they do have that size. if your trailer axles have GAWR of 6,000 pounds or less, then you can't beat the Michelin XPS tires. But if your trailer axles each have more than 6,000 pounds GAWR, then you'll have to locate a heavier duty trailer tire.

If your trailer has 15" tires, then you should not run LT tires on that trailer. Nobody makes a 15" LT tire that's rated for all-position or trailer service. But the Maxxis ST225/75R15E is available, and it's a great trailer tire too. I have 8 of them on various trailers. They are not "China Bombs", but they're not made in the USA either.

One set of Michelin XPS I bought were made in Great Brittain. I ordered them from a source in BC Canada. But that source dried up, so I don't know where the current XPS tires are made.
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The Fuzion 302 came with 235/80R16E. Def stay away from ST tires. As Wren said, a good all position LT tire is in order. I went with Goodyear G614's. One thing to check if you go the load range G route is that your factory wheels are rated to 110PSI as the G's need 110 to give you their full capacity. It's usually stamped on the back of the wheel.
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X2 on the Maxxis. I believe they are made in Thailand.
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Old 07-21-2014, 11:56 AM   #9
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Good tires for your use would be:


Bridgestone Duramis R250

Cooper Discoverer Maxx

Maxxis M8008 (ST)

BFG Commercial T/A

Michelin XPS Ribs


I hear the nicest things about the Michelin and the R250's, with the Bridgestone being a little cheaper. The Maxxis has great ratings--something rare for ST tires.

I've got a new fifth wheel trailer coming, and I'm going to change to the R250's as a price compromise. They're $232 @ TireRack.com vs. $298 for Michelins @ TreadDepot.com.
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Fusion specs- tire size for the 302 is 235/80R16E

O.P. should be aware that load range weight carrying numbers differ between ST and LT tires- a LR-E ST has higher carrying capacity that a LR-E LT.

I mention this because most tire dealers have policies prohibiting the installation of a replacement tire that has lower load limit than the OEM tires that came on the unit. If you switch to LT's, you will likely have to go up in load range to "G" just to get enough capacity. This may necessitate a wheel change if those you have on won't accommodate the higher PSI of G tires.
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Devils always in the details.
Looks like the 302 Fuzion may have a 15K-16K GVWR which means maybe tandem 7k axles. If thats the case then any of the LT235/85-16 E tires at 3042 lb capacity mentioned won't work.

The ST235/80-16 E have 3500 lbs capacity.

There are no LT with 3500 lbs capacity that will fit under a trailer.

As mentioned the LT235/85-16 G load range at 3750 lbs capacity/110 psi.

The commercial grade all steel carcass Sailun S637 in a LT235/85-16 G load range also at 3750 lbs capacity at 110 psi. This tire is very popular with commercial haulers and RV forums for large RVs.

Another new all steel ply carcass commercial grade tire is the Hercules H901 LT235/85-16 G at 3756 lbs capacity and 110 psi. This tire just came out last fall so it has no track record on reliability. Hercules has always been more of a farm and ranch country tire we see sold at farm stores/small rural towns/etc around here anyway.

Thats my guess.
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I just had a set of CARLILE 235/85R/16 Load range F(95 lbs) installed on my 5th.Load rate on just under 4000 lbs.Trailer is to heavy for LT tires so was disappointed that I could not use XPS ribs,however did get a set for my truck!(traction)
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I just had a set of CARLILE 235/85R/16 Load range F(95 lbs) installed on my 5th.Load rate on just under 4000 lbs.Trailer is to heavy for LT tires so was disappointed that I could not use XPS ribs,however did get a set for my truck!(traction)
RICHR, how are those Carlisle tires holding up for you? I'm looking at the same for my 5vr
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Devils always in the details.
Looks like the 302 Fuzion may have a 15K-16K GVWR which means maybe tandem 7k axles. If thats the case then any of the LT235/85-16 E tires at 3042 lb capacity mentioned won't work.

The ST235/80-16 E have 3500 lbs capacity.

There are no LT with 3500 lbs capacity that will fit under a trailer.

As mentioned the LT235/85-16 G load range at 3750 lbs capacity/110 psi.

The commercial grade all steel carcass Sailun S637 in a LT235/85-16 G load range also at 3750 lbs capacity at 110 psi. This tire is very popular with commercial haulers and RV forums for large RVs.

Another new all steel ply carcass commercial grade tire is the Hercules H901 LT235/85-16 G at 3756 lbs capacity and 110 psi. This tire just came out last fall so it has no track record on reliability. Hercules has always been more of a farm and ranch country tire we see sold at farm stores/small rural towns/etc around here anyway.

Thats my guess.

I was curious about the tire you were talking abut. So I looked up the Hercules H901 and they are the same look and tread pattern of my Sailun S637's. The Geostars are similar too. I'd be willing to bet the Hercules are from manufacture just under a different name. Could be wrong. But I'd say knowing they look the same and if they are.....probably be just as worthy as the Sailuns or Geostars.
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