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Old 09-23-2007, 11:12 AM   #15
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xlman:
Bummer, in order to have a lot of margin we may be forced to go with our alternate choice, the Travel Supreme 31IKTSO (River Canyon), which has a hitch weight of only 1,700#. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Is that a dry or laden hitch weight? What's 20% of the 5th wheel's GVWR?


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Old 09-23-2007, 03:18 PM   #16
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The maximum pin weight may be calculated by finding the dry pin weight percentage of the 5er dry weight. Multiply that percentage X the GVW. This result should be quite close to the maximum pin weight of the 5er; that's assuming you load the 5er evenly.

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Do yourself a favor. Load up the truck with the wife, dog, any leftover kids, and a full tank of fuel. Go to the scales and get some real weights to work with. Then you will know exactly what your front, rear, and total weights are.
It makes it much easier then to calculate how much pin, 5th wheel hitch weight you can handle.
Until you weigh your specific truck, It's all guess work.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xlman:
Thanks for the link to the weight calculator.
I entered my GVWR=9800#, GCWR=23,000, max loaded trailer rating=15,400#, and my RGAWR=6,100#. Those were the only numbers I have.
It calculated max camper weight=13,200 and max pin weight=3,300#.
With the 20% safety margine the numbers were 10,560# and 2,640#.
Thanks again,
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One thing I've learned, I think, is this... Look at the label on the drivers door area referencing the tires, inflation pressure etc. Look on there for a "Max cargo & passenger" weight. That is the max rated weight the truck can carry including you, momma, any contents/kids in the truck, hitch weight and kingpin load combined.

My 05 F250 is rated 2344Lbs, after me and momma and the hitch, we've got about 1800 lbs we can put on the hitch with nothing else in the truck.
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Your truck would do just fine with a standard TT (not 5th wheel) have you considered that route? TTs have less tounge wt accordingly than 5th wheels so you don't run out of GVWR as quick. Also with WD hitches you can shift some of that weight back to the TT. Also a TT is more aerodynamic than larger 5th wheels with stand up bedrooms.
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Like sailbad said, it is time to load the truck up and make a trip to the scales. From experience if you were to get the Excel fiver you will find real fast that the truck is being pushed around by the trailer. It is not fun towing in an overloaded situation, I know I did it for two years. Maybe that is one of the reasons I am so antimant about not towing in excess of the manufacturers GVWR tag. It simply is not worth the trouble and aggravation. Oh and I am sorry to hear that you fell for the "your 3/4 ton can tow anything" story line that is out on these forums now days. Good luck in your search.
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I also have a 2008 F250, 6.4, slightly altered.
If your looking to increase your hitch weight, look at upgrading your rear springs to those of an F350. You may want to look at E rated tires to go with the change. Please talk with your dealer to confirm this alternitive.
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Thanks everyone for all the responses. I've talked to quite a few people now about towing 5th wheels and came to the conclusion we should be just fine with our '08 F250 diesel as long as we keep our total weight less than 15,000. We'll get a good hitch like the Hijacker 18K autoslide and the glide-ride pin box and we'll get disk brakes on the camper. If we need to, we can add the air bags for a better ride and/or to level the truck. Hope fuel prices don't get too high!
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With a 5er, you have to consider GVWR on the truck as well as GCWR. Typical 5ers will run with a pin weight close to 20% of the trailer GVWR when loaded. Excels tend to be heavy on the hitch or pin.

You need to get the truck weighed and see what you have for a loaded weight and add 200# for the hitch.

GCWR - loaded truck = max loaded trailer weight.

GVWR - loaded truck = max loaded trailer pin weight (not the dry brochure weight).

The short coming of a 3/4 ton truck is that it will reach the trucks GVWR long before you reach the GCWR. So if you are thinking a 15,000# trailer, you will have a 3000# pin weight. If you are thinking a GCW of 15,000, you ruck will weigh around 7200# and this leaves you with a 7800# trailer.

A 15,000# 5er is well into 1 ton dually range in my opinion. You will see a lot of folks pulling larger 5ers with 3/4 ton trucks and most do not have a clue as tot he weight on the truck or just do not care.

So I'd get the truck weighed and at least know where you are headed.


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