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Old 09-20-2016, 01:01 PM   #1
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Take the UTE?

Have any of y'all tried hauling your UTE in the back of your pickup? Was it a long or short bed?

Being small enough to put in the back of the pickup was the main feature I chose a Kubota RTV 500 for. I wanted the ability to haul it in the bed of the truck and still hook onto the travel trailer. Unfortunately I forgot that key fact when I last traded pickups and now have the first shortbed I've ever owned.

We're wanting to go to Colorado next summer and do the Alpine Loop. The options are:

1) Haul the RTV in the back of the truck and find a place to load and unload it to run the loop. Pros: I'd have my own very off road capable vehicle to use on my own schedule. Cons: More weight and drag. It'll push me to the heaviest I've ever run in the worst place to do it.

2) Loop in the F250 Sooper Dooty 4x4 Crew Cab Short Bed. Pros: I'd have my own comfortable 4x4 vehicle to use on my own schedule. Cons: Kinda large for the loop and it'd bad to tear something up on the tow vehicle and be stranded 1000 miles from home.

3) Rent a Jeep. Pros: Nothing to haul and risk damaging. More capable and maneuverable. Cons: $175/day and you're on their schedule. If you do tear anything up, you could be at their mercy.

Before the first weight cop jumps in, I have been to the scales with my rig. My rig sitting on the scales shows I have 1,720 lbs left on the RAWR with my rig fully loaded and bodies on board for a weeks travel. The RTV itself weighs in at 1,340 lbs, and just a little of that will hit the FAWR where I have another 820 lbs left. I'd be at 16,450 lbs GCWR of my 22,000 lb GCWR rating
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Me, I'd rent the Jeep. Why? Probably more fun. I'd get the extra damage insurance policy from the rental folks if it was available, and have a great time knowing that if it breaks, I'm covered.

If your Ute breaks, you're still on the hoik and out in the middle of somewhere/nowhere.
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Old 09-20-2016, 05:58 PM   #3
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Before the first weight cop jumps in, I have been to the scales with my rig. My rig sitting on the scales shows I have 1,720 lbs left on the RAWR with my rig fully loaded and bodies on board for a weeks travel. The RTV itself weighs in at 1,340 lbs, and just a little of that will hit the FAWR where I have another 820 lbs left.
You conveniently ignored the GVWR and resulting payload capacity of your tow vehicle. Why?

Take the scale ticket that includes the weights with the wet and loaded trailer tied on, and combine the weights on the front and rear axles of the tow vehicle. Compare that combined axle weight to the GVWR of your tow vehicle.

Payload capacity available for additional weight is GVWR minus the combined weight on the two axles of the tow vehicle. If your payload capacity available for additional weight is a negative number, then you're overloaded, regardless of how much more weight you could haul before you reach the GCWR or rGAWR or fGAWR or tire weight limits or hitch weight limits or any other weight limits.

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I'd be at 16,450 lbs GCWR of my 22,000 lb GCWR rating
GCWR (and tow rating) is not your limiter as to how much trailer you can pull or how much weight you can haul in the bed without being overloaded. GVWR (and actual payload capacity) is the limiter.
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You conveniently ignored the GVWR and resulting payload capacity of your tow vehicle. Why?

I didn't list it thinking my axle weights show what I have left of my axle ratings. I was assuming the axle weights combined would be equal to the GVWR, but mine actually add up to be 1,300 lbs above the GVWR.

But since you raise the question, I'll do the math. My GVWR is 10,000 lbs, with actual wet loaded tow vehicle weight on scales of 8,740 lbs. I'd be 80 lbs over with the UTE on board. I could adjust that 80 lbs into the trailer, but I'd be at max GVWR.
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I didn't list it thinking my axle weights show what I have left of my axle ratings. I was assuming the axle weights combined would be equal to the GVWR, but mine actually add up to be 1,300 lbs above the GVWR.
Almost all tow vehicles have more combined front and rear GAWR than GVWR. That's why payload capacity is the limiter as to how much trailer you can pull without overloading anything. Payload capacity = GVWR minus the weight of the truck.

GVWR includes a lot more components that just the axle and suspension strength. GVWR also includes braking performance and frame strength. So assuming your hitch is not your limiter, use GVWR of the tow vehicle as your most likely limiter as to how much weight you can tow and carry without being overloaded.
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Me, I'd rent the Jeep. Why? Probably more fun. I'd get the extra damage insurance policy from the rental folks if it was available, and have a great time knowing that if it breaks, I'm covered.

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What would it cost to replace a running board on your truck (if you have them) if you smash one?
Rent the Jeep !
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I can haul my RZR in my 8' bed and tow the trailer. I tie the tailgate up against the RZR tires.
That looks like a neat trip. Are non-highway legal vehicles welcome in all those towns? If you have to use the state highways, at any point, a Jeep would be my choice.
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