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Old 03-20-2013, 07:21 PM   #1
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To Distribute or Not to Distribute

I bought a 2012 Dodge 1-Ton diesel. First diesel I've ever owned. Here's the question; my trailer has a gross vehicle rating of 7500 lbs. It's an Arctic Fox, 24 ft. in length. Do I really need any weight distribution at all with this set-up. The truck only drops about 1/4" when I load the trailer onto it.

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Old 03-20-2013, 07:29 PM   #2
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From the Dodge Ram bodybuilder guide:

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The maximum trailer weight is 5,000 pounds for a weight-carrying hitch. A weight distributing system is recommended for trailers over 5,000 pounds. A fifth-wheel or gooseneck hitch is required for trailers over 12,000 pounds.
That makes the decision for me. You're 50% over the weight-carrying hitch rating.

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Old 03-21-2013, 09:17 AM   #3
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Well, I'm not so sure. The truck is bone stock. It's a single rear wheel model. The front of the truck sits lower than the rear of the truck. And when the trailer is connected, the truck doesn't even get to level; let alone drop the rear enough for any "distribution" effect.

The purpose of weight distribution (I thought) was to level the truck and trailer by distributing the weight to all axles. But if the truck isn't sagging in the rear (and in fact is still about an inch or two taller than the front) with the trailer hitched no distribution is needed (I think).

But I may be wrong.

Thanks for the input, though. I do appreciate the help.
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Another purpose of WD is to take dead tongue weight off the hitch and redistribute it to the axles of the tow vehicle and trailer. Your hitch is overloaded on tongue weight. If you want to drive it 50% overloaded, that's your business, but Ram says any trailer over 5K needs weight distribution. That's a hitch limitation.

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My 3500 dually drops about an inch when hooked to a trailer with a 1200lb. tongue weight. The truck is equipped with a towing package which included heavier rear springs and 4 inch spacer blocks. A possible benefit of a WD hitch is the addition of an optional sway bar. Sway, not weight will be your biggest problem.
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How much your truck drops is irelevant. It your recievers rating. Change the reciever to a higher rated one and your good to go IMO. All recievers have a non WD and WD rating. Read you manual.
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How much your truck drops is irelevant. It your recievers rating. Change the reciever to a higher rated one and your good to go IMO. All recievers have a non WD and WD rating. Read you manual.
Yes, like on my tow vehicle it says 500 lbs without a W-D hitch and 1100 lbs with a W-D hitch. Actually when you say

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and in fact is still about an inch or two taller than the front
That could give you problems too...Being "crowned" at the hitch can cause the tt to get swerrly in windy conditions...

The W-D will make the vehicle / RV stiffer, helping in windy conditions.
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Thanks for all the input! My hitch rating is 1200lbs. I am at around 700-800lbs. on the hitch. The "crowned" condition doesn't exactly apply as the trailer itself is level with the use of my drop-hitch. The trailer is level but the truck is raised a bit in the rear.

I'll try installing my WD hitch assy and see what the difference is.

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Your hitch rating is 1200 lbs tongue weight with weight distribution being used. With weight distribution, your hitch receiver is rated 1200/12000. Without it, 500/5000.

I wish that the new Ram trucks still had the stickers on the hitch receivers like my 1996 and 2002 Ram duallies did. They were much more clear: 500/5000 weight bearing and 1000/10000 weight distributing. Implicit in Ram's 5000 lb limitation on weight bearing trailer application is a 500 lb tongue weight limit - that's why weight distribution is required for trailers over 5000 lbs.

Again, I'm quoting directly from the Ram bodybuilder's guide - the Gospel when it comes to the truck ratings:

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The maximum trailer weight is 5,000 lbs for a weight-carrying hitch. A weight distributing system is recommended for trailers over 5,000 lbs. A fifth-wheel or gooseneck hitch is required for trailers over 12,000 lbs.
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Thanks Rusty. Lots to learn here.
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I found the following as a footnote on RAM's payload and towing chart online. It agrees with what I'm hearing here.


Thanks again folks!

Note that all the payload and Max Trail weights are ESTIMATED values.
1. Payload is rounded to the nearest 10 lbs. Payload = GVWR - Curb Wt.
2. Maximum trailer weights are rounded to the nearest 50 lbs.
Maximum Trailer Weight = GCWR - Curb wt. -150 lbs. (allowance for driver)
3. The recommended tongue weight is between 10 percent and 15 percent of the gross trailer weight. However, the maximum tongue weight on Class III (the bumper ball) is limited to 500
pounds, and Class IV (the receiver hitch) to 1,200 pounds. Additionally, the GAWRs and GVWRs should never be exceeded.
4. The maximum trailer weight is 5,000 pounds for a weight-carrying hitch. A weight distributing system is recommended for trailers over 5,000 pounds. A fifth-wheel or gooseneck hitch is
required for trailers over 12,000 pounds.
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Yes, when I bought my SUV there was a sticker on the hitch that clearly stated what this vehicle can tow with a D-W set-up and without. I know there were some new Federal "towing" mandates introduced about a year ago. It would be nice if a sticker was mandatory on all vehicles that came with a factory installed hitch, but it was not....

But it did give me peace of mind, that I knew I had to get a W-D set-up.

I was at a tow seminar two weeks ago and that was brought up. The person running the seminar said the new regulations for towing were not very user friendly....His opinion was it left the consumer more in the dark....as far as what a vehicle can tow...
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I'd say use the WD set up strictly for added stability if you have it already....when I had a TT my 2500HD pulled it and supported the weight with no problem but it was quite unstable it was 23ft one slide weighed about 5000...I added the WD set up.....smooth as glass
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Be careful not to confuse weight distribution with sway control. You need both, by the way. Be sure your WD setup also handles the sway control function.

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