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Old 07-31-2010, 04:32 PM   #15
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I have a good friend that is a sales manager for a repuatble RV dealership and he has been telling me that it would not be a problem.
You know how you can tell a salesman is lying, don't you?.....their lips are moving. All kidding aside, never, ever believe the salesman (or manager). Good friend or not, the salesperson is out to make a sale, not talk you out of a sale because your tow vehicle is underrated for the trailer. It is your responsibility, not theirs, to be sure your tow vehicle is capable of safely pulling AND STOPPING.

As for the story from the "other" forum, they may have done it, but they weren't safe. When they have an accident (not if, but when) heaven help the innocent people they injure (or kill). Lawyers live for this kind of scenario.

All our members here can do is pass on our knowledge and experience. Ultimately, the decision is yours.

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Well all, just got back from a 2800 mile RV vacation with the family. First long trip with the new toy hauler in my avatar/sig and I have to admit I was a little concerned with how my 2500 would handle the monster (loaded weight 16,500 lbs for a combined weight of 24K +). Went from Missouri through the mountains of Tennessee/North Carolina and finally to the beach on the east coast. From there back through the mountains of virginia up to the Great Lakes then finally back home. Included some 2 lane "snake roads" through the mountains with up to 10% grade! (so not just a stroll over the flat plains of Kansas)

With all this mountain traveling I could not be more pleased with how my little 3/4 ton single rear wheel truck handled it. Power train did great - Tranny temps never got over 200 and when going up the long grades the "extra fan" would kick in when the temps started climbing and quickly cool things down. Did have to down shift more than with my old 5er that weighed only 11K but I would expect that. On flats and low grade climbs stayed in 5th pulling at 65mph without problem.

Downhill runs through the mountains went well also - just had to be smart and keep the speed down whild descending and no problems with stability at all. (used the manual tranny mode to control downhill speeds)

Through this trip avereaged 8.5 mpg (hand calculated with GPS) which I don't think is bad towing such a heavy load with as much climbing as I did.

So, very happy and am a believer the GCWR published by GM way underestimate the trucks capabilities. (all above with no performance mods)
Apparently this fellow didn't experience a handling problem like this. One of the reports that I heard or read was the driver said he was cut off. Based on that I am betting he changed lanes fast and jack knifed. Some witneses said the PU was going backwards when it crossed the median.
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That was a bad accident and hope never to see that, they were not sure what caused it does not say. Driver may have went to sleep.
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OK, I'm just going to have to nit pick this a bit. What size tires are on your truck's rear axle?

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I have a new 2010 duramax 3/4 ton 4X4 that is shows to be rated at 14,800 max, I am going to put bags under it and want to pull a 43' toy hauler that is 14k empty and will be i am sure 16-17k when toys and fuel and is probably 3500 pin weight.

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I have a good friend that is a sales manager for a repuatble RV dealership and he has been telling me that it would not be a problem. He also said that 80% of all TH in that area are pulled by 3/4 ton diesels with no issues. Its hard not to believe a good friend that you have bought 2-3 trailers from over a 15 year spand but I a really struggling with this one.
Regardless of the fact that this guy is a good friend, he doesn't know what he's talking about. The unfortunate fact is that *most* RV and truck sales people don't know squat about weight issues when it comes to towing.

Just because 80% of all toy haulers in your area are pulled by 3/4-ton trucks doesn't mean that 100% of those 80% aren't overweight. If everyone was driving off a cliff, would you do it, too, just because everyone else was doing it?
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The same salesman talked to this guy:
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Regardless of the fact that this guy is a good friend, he doesn't know what he's talking about. The unfortunate fact is that *most* RV and truck sales people don't know squat about weight issues when it comes to towing.

Just because 80% of all toy haulers in your area are pulled by 3/4-ton trucks doesn't mean that 100% of those 80% aren't overweight. If everyone was driving off a cliff, would you do it, too, just because everyone else was doing it?
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The same salesman talked to this guy:

You know this started out a simple question and has turned into jokes, puns at my friends, all i wanted was some good feedback which I got and appreciate very much, my good friend is a rv salesman and I trust his judgement and he did inform me that it was over the limit but the truck would pull it without an issue (Motor & Tranmission) the bags would help the pin weight but the total weight would be over and left it up to my decision, so part of my desicion was going to be based on good info from these and other forums, I am not completely ignorant as some might think as I have drove 80-100000 lb rigs for 15 years or so, I am in the process of looking at 2011 F-350 and 2011 GM 3500 to replace it.

So if you have thought on these have at it.
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Weights are a very passionate subject on this site & opinions run high. Most all of us have the experience of being told our tow vehicles can pull anything. It's good to see you're considering a larger tow vehicle. You, your passengers & those on the roads with you will be safer for it.

If you can get us the make/model, GVWR & pin weights on the toyhauler you are looking at, we can give a more informed opinion on the 1t trucks.

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3912SLGross Vehicle Weight Rating (lbs.)18,00018,000Unloaded Vehicle Weight (lbs.)13,47013,220Hitch Weight (lbs.)3,6303,455Cargo Carrying Capacity (lbs.)4,5304,780Exterior Length40' 5"43' 4"Exterior Height w/ A/C159"159"Body Width102"102"Interior Height (Bedroom)77"77"Fresh Water Capacity (gal.) (includes water heater)148148Grey Waste Water Capacity (gal.)60.888Black Waste Water Capacity (gal.)60.852Radial Tire SizeST235/80R 16EST235/80R 16EDouble 30-lb. Propane Tanks w/ Auto RegulatorXXE-Z Lube Axles w/All-Wheel Electric Brakes (Nev-R-Adjust)332-5/16" Ball CouplerXXSleeping Capacity66Furnace w/Wall Thermostat, Auto-Ignition40M BTU40M BTU
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My question is why so long a length (I am disreguarding the input concerning the 3/4 ton and considered one ton dually). If you are traveling then in general you are going to have problems in many parks with the length. Even with your big rig experience you will find there is a difference in handling and you aren't parking out in the truck lot
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There a lot of folks out there that do not have a clue about towing or tow capacities or ratings. This is very evident by the number of people pulling not just over limits but WAAAAY over limits. Recently saw a fellow with what had to be a 40' Teton being tugged by a 3/4 ton Duramax. By the way the truck was squatted, he was OVER LOADED.

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Little trucks pull little trailers
Big trucks pull big trailers and a 3/4 ton is not considered a big truck.

That trailer you are looking at would over load my 1 ton dually. It would pull it. Should I pull it...NO. Would I pull it...NO.

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The problem is I need a 14' garage ti hold my stuff and there is not many around that is not out of site on price, if anyone knows of one please let me know, I need at least 12'2" in the garage.

I am not traveling with this but 8-10 times a year and always fairly close to home
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