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Old 05-18-2016, 05:33 PM   #1
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Do I need a 3/4 ton or larger to pull a 13K trailer? We are looking at a Montana 3660RL. I know that an F250 would do the job but my thinking is about safety.

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Old 05-18-2016, 05:50 PM   #2
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There is a lengthy post by Plasma800 (Post #3) that will give you ample information to answer this question.
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Old 05-18-2016, 05:53 PM   #3
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What is the pin weight?

I'm at 10,500 with my 3/4. I don't think I would go any bigger on the trailer unless I got a smoking deal.

If buying new/used then do yourself a favor and go for the 1-ton. Relatively cheap difference for a way higher safety margin.
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Old 05-18-2016, 06:07 PM   #4
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Go with the 1 ton and never regret or second guess your self. The ole sayin "Why get off in Chicago when you are headed to New York"
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What is the pin weight?

I'm at 10,500 with my 3/4. I don't think I would go any bigger on the trailer unless I got a smoking deal.

If buying new/used then do yourself a favor and go for the 1-ton. Relatively cheap difference for a way higher safety margin.
Yep, good advice here. I just went thru the same planning process as you on which truck for a fifth wheel. For me I'm looking at a 11440 dry weight 5er which most any 250/2500 can pull BUT and and I say a big but, the crunch comes with the trucks's maximum payload. So once you add the passengers, fuel, dogs, hitch AND pin weight total all that to get your payload. For a 2500 I was over so today I ordered a Ram 3500 with a 4070 lb payload. I don't know about GM and Ford, but the Ram 3500 is less that $500 more.
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If you want to do it safely, yes.
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Just remember, in the newer Fords, the difference is the dual rear wheel. The F-350 SRW is the same as the F-250. Go for the DRW for the heavy pin weights and stability while towing.
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I had purchased a 07 1500 Silverado that I intended to tow a 5ver with. I had looked and found some that I could tow but then a happy accident, I found an excellent shape 01 gmc 1 ton for sale that I couldn't pass up. Now we are looking at just about anything but are settling on a mid bunk that is well within our limits. More is definitely better.
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Do I need a 3/4 ton or larger to pull a 13K trailer? We are looking at a Montana 3660RL. I know that an F250 would do the job but my thinking is about safety.

Thanks in advance
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Keystone makes one Montana High country that is maybe 3/4 towable. Everything else needs a bit more cargo capacity. Those are heavy trailers and have a lot of pin weight.
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My rule of thumb is to get a 1 ton SRW when buying new and add a leaf on the springs..
Don't overload the tires, so choose the 18's and avoid the 17's.
Air bags do help but stability suffers due to the softer ride. A loaded and capable truck can ride like a caddy if setup right.
That's what I do and for 24 years never regretted it.
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I'm by no means a weight police person but I'd go DRW with that 5th wheel. A dry pin of 2660lbs will be even more dry when you add batteries, propane and then 150-200lbs for the 5th hitch. You could have close to 3000lbs on the rear axle without even loading anything in the 5er. Most SRW 1 tons have about 4000lbs for CCC. Add in you and whoever on the truck, plus any gear in the truck, along with the 3660s pin weight and you'll be pushing it. A DRW would eliminate any issues.
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3/4 ton trucks are somewhat bastard machines. They will tow heavier loads very well, but the kingpin weight of larger fifth wheels is simply too much for a 3/4 ton diesel's rear axle, springs and tires.

I have a 3/4 ton crew cab diesel pickup with trailer towing package, tranny cooler and AirRide 5000 airbags on the rear. I limited myself to a medium size fifth wheel trailer--Grand Design Reflection 323BHS. With 2K lbs. tongue weight and 11K lbs. dry weight, I'm max'd out. I'm not suffering in any way.

The fifth wheel you're talking about is a full size trailer, and it's worthy of a 1 ton dually. One ton single rear wheel trucks are not much better as a 3/4 ton and should be avoided if towing bigger/heavier trailers.
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Your dry pin weight on that Montana is heavier than my loaded pin weight on my GD. I'm towing mine with my F-250, and at 2520 loaded pin weight, and 11,800 trailer weight, I'm just under max on pretty much all my truck's ratings.

I personally wouldn't pull that rig with my truck. That 13K you're looking at is "dry weight", means trailer empty, as shipped from factory. It's got a max weight over 16K. That doesn't mean you have to load the trailer to max weight (we're not close on ours), but your dry weight is already pushing beyond the max ratings on a 250.

For that rig, I would go F-350 dually. The guys are right when they tell you that a single rear wheel F-350 is the same truck as the F-250. It's not until you get to the dually that you see your capacities go up accordingly.

Get the dually.
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Get the dually and never worry about pin weight. Also the stability of a dually is great when towing.
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