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Old 02-03-2016, 05:25 AM   #1
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Towing Opinions Needed

Please let me know your opinions on the following set up

2015 Chevy 2500HD 4x4, 4dr., LTZ, 6.0 gas
GVWRC - 9500 lbs.
GCWR - 20500 lbs.
Factory tag for max payload - 2790 lbs

Trailer Options -
Cougar 336BHS
Dry Weight - 10595
Hitch Weight - 1895
Payload - 1695

Primetime Crusader 337QBH
Dry Weight - 10601
Hitch Weight - 1631
Payload - 1430


I am planning on purchasing the B&W companion RVK3500 or RVK3400 slider if needed as I have the 6.5' bed. I pull a gooseneck at this time but have never had any issues with the trucks abilities.
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Old 02-03-2016, 05:40 AM   #2
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I'd tow either one with your set up but I think it would be close to the limit- you'd have to pay close attention to cargo both in the truck and trailer. Check here:

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Old 02-04-2016, 06:09 AM   #3
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after People, Stuff, things, GAS.. you are OVER..


and remember.. the listed weights on trailers LIE ( OK, Misleading ).... its advertising ...


my trailer is 800 pounds MORE then the tags on trailer.. EMPTY...(inside and outside tags)


7,500.... scaled at 8,300....both propane tanks removed.. only 1 battery.. all 3 storage tanks empty.. nothing in storage area or cabinets..
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Old 02-04-2016, 09:46 AM   #4
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Please let me know your opinions on the following set up

2015 Chevy 2500HD 4x4, 4dr., LTZ, 6.0 gas
GVWRC - 9500 lbs.
GCWR - 20500 lbs.
Factory tag for max payload - 2790 lbs
Plenty of truck to PULL either trailer, but not quite enough truck to HAUL the pin weight of either trailer when wet and loaded for the road. The dry hitch weights are misleading, so compute your probable pin weight as 17% of gross trailer weight. Your pin weight of a wet and loaded trailer is probably going to be 2,000 to 2,100 pounds. That leaves only 700 to 800 pounds for the hitch, people, pets, tools, jack and jack base, aftermarket options such as bed rug or some sort of bed cover, campfire wood, etc. The installed hitch alone, including the 64 pounds for the TurnOverBall, is going to weigh over 300 pounds.
B&W Companion Slider fhitch

So I agree with Chuck; you're probably going to be overloaded over the GVWR of that truck.

If you want to tow one of those RVs with a GM pickup, then consider moving up to the 3500 with single rear wheels (SRW). That will give you enough additional payload capacity to comfortably haul the hitch and pin weight of either trailer without having to always be concerned with the weight of your tools and jacks and campfire wood and how many people you haul in the tow vehicle.

Cougar 336BHS
Dry Weight - 10595
Payload - 1695
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max trailer gross weight - 12,290
pin weight at 17% - 2,089
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Primetime Crusader 337QBH
Dry Weight - 10601
Payload - 1430
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max trailer gross weight - 12,031
pin weight at 17% - 2,045
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I pull a gooseneck at this time but have never had any issues with the trucks abilities.
Again, pulling power is not your problem - hauling weight (payload) capacity is. if you don't want to trade that truck for a heavier-duty truck, then look for 5ers that have GVWR [or dry weight plus cargo carrying capacity (CCC)] of closer to 10,000 pounds.

You can probably "get by" with that truck dragging either of those trailers without being overloaded, but you'll constantly be concerned with how much weight you haul in the truck. So limit the weight of tools and jacks you haul, no hauling back pretty rocks your Sweetheart finds during the trip, and no hauling campfire wood. Go find the wood after you drop the trailer at the campground. Tell the kinfolks they'll have to drive another vehicle if they want to go with you on a camping trip. To reduce pin weight, be sure the holding tanks are empty before you hit the road. Haul only enough fresh water to flush the pottie when on the road. No heavy cookware or dishes.

Or like many other RVers, you can tow overloaded and hope for the best (and be a Nervous Nellie instead of a Happy Camper).
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a Japanize pickup truck pulling the Space Shuttle.. on level ground.. EASY..


I have move a 3,000 pound camper with a 14 HP lawn tractor... same on level ground..


its hills,, UP and Down... and overloading the rear axle of truck.


the best of luck with your search


ever see the PULL-OFF.. 20 men moving a 727 airplane with 1 rope.
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All is great when things are good. But we prep for when we are headed down the long grade and all heck happens in front of you on that curve. We don't want to be part of the pile of debris on the side of the road.
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Weighed today, full tank of fuel.
Now let me know your opinions.
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Weighed today, full tank of fuel.
Now let me know your opinions.

Just a quick look over these numbers... looks like it should be ok... maybe close if you load it to the limit... I am sure someone will be along shortly that feels like doing math...
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Weighed today, full tank of fuel.
Now let me know your opinions.
Is the hitch installed?

Empty truck weight doesn't give you much info.

7,160 truck weight without the hitch means about 7,460 truck weight with the hitch installed. If your pin weight is 2,100 pounds, then GVW on the two truck axles will be 9,560. or 60 pounds over the GVWR of the truck. And that's with nothing in the truck but you and a tank full of gas.

Add a passenger, some tools, a heavy jack and jack base in case of a flat on the trailer in the middle of nowhere, and you'll be severely overloaded.
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You are legally responsible for having an adequate tow vehicle, opinions dont matter in court. Get the towing specs from the truck manufacturer and read them to determine if your truck is capable of towing the 5er.
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Old 02-10-2016, 08:50 AM   #11
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My previous 5th wheel was a Cougar 285EFS that said it was 7400lbs but scaled at 8600lbs. I towed it withba 3/4 ton dodge with a Cummins with no iddues other than I was at max rating on truck. The previous owner of the Cougar towed it with a 2500HD chevy with the bigger V8 and a 4.10 rearend and he told us his only problem was lack of power in the mountains. Like others you need to know your weights and ratings and leave a safety factor just in case.
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I towed similar trailer with a 6,5l diesel rated at 8600 lbs trailer for 9 years. The GM short box never needed a sliding hitch. The truck carried the pin load very well and the rear axle was never overloaded.
It carried 4000 lbs in the box very well. Much better than my F250 before improved Springs packs.
The real problem with towing that heavy is the exhaust manifolds that tend to crack.
One time all the 8L motor homes had exhaust leaks. Better now but friends did have these problems.
If I was towing with gas engines I would modify the exhaust. Trucks now are just set up for grocery haulers.
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Technical and advanced technical data on 2015 GMC Sierra, crew cab 4wd gas.


Technical Data

Body Style:
Crew Cab Pickup
Drivetrain:
Four Wheel Drive

Passenger Capacity:
6
Engine Type:
Gas/Ethanol V8

Displacement:
6.0L/366
Fuel System:
Electronic Fuel Injection

SAE Net Horsepower @ RPM:
360 @ 5400
SAE Net Torque @ RPM:
380 @ 4200

Trans Description Cont.:
Automatic
Front Tire Size:
LT265/70R18E

Rear Tire Size:
LT265/70R18E
Spare Tire Size:
LT265/70R18E

Front Wheel Size (in):
18 x 8.0
Rear Wheel Size (in):
18 x 8.0

Front Wheel Material:
Aluminum
Rear Wheel Material:
Aluminum

Brake ABS System:
4-Wheel
Disc - Front (Yes or ):
Yes

Disc - Rear (Yes or ):
Yes
Fuel Tank Capacity, Approx (gal):
36.0

Wheelbase (in):
153.70


Advanced Technical Data

Body Code:
E63
Gross Axle Wt Rating - Front (lbs):
4800

Gross Axle Wt Rating - Rear (lbs):
6200
Curb Weight - Front (lbs):
3788

Curb Weight - Rear (lbs):
2736
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating Cap (lbs):
9500

Gross Combined Wt Rating (lbs):
20500
Dead Weight Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. (lbs):
5000

Dead Weight Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. (lbs):
500
Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. (lbs):
13000

Wt Distributing Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. (lbs):
1950
Fifth Wheel Hitch - Max Trailer Wt. (lbs):
14000

Fifth Wheel Hitch - Max Tongue Wt. (lbs):
3500
Maximum Trailering Capacity (lbs):
13000

Engine Order Code:
L96
Trans Order Code:
MYD

Trans Type:
6
First Gear Ratio (:1):
4.03

Second Gear Ratio (:1):
2.36
Third Gear Ratio (:1):
1.53

Fourth Gear Ratio (:1):
1.15
Fifth Gear Ratio (:1):
0.85

Sixth Gear Ratio (:1):
0.67
Reverse Ratio (:1):
3.06

Transfer Case Gear Ratio (:1), High:
1.00
Transfer Case Gear Ratio (:1), Low:
2.69

Cold Cranking Amps @ 0 F (Primary):
730
Cold Cranking Amps @ 0 F (2nd):
730

Maximum Alternator Capacity (amps):
150
Engine Oil Cooler:
Yes

Frame Type:
Hydroformed
Suspension Type - Front:
Independent

Suspension Type - Rear:
Multi-Leaf
Spring Capacity - Front (lbs):
4800

Spring Capacity - Rear (lbs):
6200
Axle Type - Front:
Independent

Axle Type - Rear:
Semi Floating
Axle Capacity - Front (lbs):
4800

Axle Capacity - Rear (lbs):
6200
Axle Ratio (:1) - Front:
4.10
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