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Old 09-10-2014, 12:27 AM   #1
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I have 2013 king ranch f-150 v6 Eco boost with a tow package,it's says can pull 12000 pouns,i bought a winnebago Minnie tt dry weight 4600 ,after reading all posts I am nervous,the dealer is putting sway pro hitch ,am I ok.?
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I don't have access to your owners manual , does it say max trailer weight of 12,000 lbs. ,or max combined weight of 12,000 lbs.
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Ford says this for the 2014 F150.
Towing Capacity 11,300 pounds
Payload Capacity 3,120 pounds
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You'll be fine with that TT. Tow ratings are more for PR that anything in the real world. 1/2 tons will run out of payload long before they reach the tow rating.
With that being said since you have the KR model you need to keep an eye on your payload. Your tongue weight could be around 650-700lbs. If your payload is around 1200lbs then just keep an eye on what you load in the truck.

Make sure the dealer sets up the WD right. You need to measure your front fender well height. You want to return the front to 1/2 of the hitched-unhitched height.
I.E if the fronts 38" unhitched and 40" hitched with no WD then after WD is applied you want to be 38-39". Chance are the dealer won't get it right, so watch how they install the WD so you can fine tune it after you load up for camping.
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Old 09-10-2014, 11:15 AM   #5
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Ford says this for the 2014 F150.
Towing Capacity 11,300 pounds
Payload Capacity 3,120 pounds
Those numbers are for a max tow F150 and an HD F150.
To get 11,300lbs of towing you need Max Tow.
To have 3120lbs of CCC you need a 2wd with the Heavy Duty payload option which no one orders. Common CCC is around 14-1800lbs for non Max Tow and Max Tow. HD models run in the low 2000lbs.

You can't get 11,300lbs towing with the 5.0, only the 3.5.
Ford really likes to spin the PR wheel.
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I have 2013 king ranch f-150 v6 Eco boost with a tow package,it's says can pull 12000 pouns,...
No, it doesn't say that. It says that if you have the max tow pkg, then your max trailer weight is 11,000 to 11,300 pounds, depending on cab, bed, and 4x4 or 4x2. If you have the max tow pkg, then you have the telescoping trailer tow mirrors, the integrated trailer brake controller (ITBC), and 3.73 axle ratio as standard equipment.

If you don't have the trailer tow mirrors, then you don't have max tow. So then your max trailer weight with the regular tow package is 8,400 to 9,500 pounds, depending on axle ratio, cab, bed and 4x4 or 4x2

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i bought a winnebago Minnie tt dry weight 4600 ,after reading all posts I am nervous,the dealer is putting sway pro hitch ,am I ok.?
Probably not, if you don't want to be overloaded on the road. But you need more info to be sure. Ignore the max tow rating and determine your unused payload capacity for hitch weight. You cannot tow anywhere near an 8,400 pound wet and loaded trailer without being overloaded. And dry weights are meaningless. You need to know the wet and loaded weight and hitch weight of ypur trailer.

There is no new Minnie Winnie TT with dry weight of 4600 pounds:
Specifications — Winnebago Minnie — Winnebago Towables

Close is the model 2201DS with dry weight of 4820 and GVWR of 7620, so I'll assume that's the one you are looking at. Average hitch weight for that size TT is 12.5%. The 2201DS has 12,86% dry hitch weight. so assume 13% of wet and loaded weight. If you load the TT to around 7,000 pounds gross trailer weight, then you can expect hitch weight of about 910 pounds.

My 2012 F-150 4x2 EcoBoost SuperCrew Lariat with 6.5' bed has GVWR of 7,100 pounds. I'm overloaded with my 19.5' TT that weighs only 4,870 pounds when on the road. So you can bet you'll be overloaded with a TT loaded to 7,000 pounds.

Since you've already bought the trailer, then concentrate on keeping weight out of the trailer as well as out of the truck. And what weight you do haul in the trailer should be behind the trailer axles when possible to reduce hitch weight.

On your first RV trip, stop at a truck stop that has a CAT scale and weigh the wet and loaded rig. Add the weight on the front and rear truck axles and compare the total to the GVWR of your truck. If you're overloaded over the GVWR of the F-150, then you need to lighten the load in the trailer. Dump the holding tanks. If the fresh water tank is not behind the trailer axles, then dump that tank too. Carry a few gallons of water to flush the pottie, but haul them in the back of the trailer, behind the trailer axles.
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I have the tow package,telscoping mirrors,its the Winnebago Minnie 2014 2201DS,says dry weight 4800 LBS.Getting Blue Ox Sway pro install to handle hitch weight and sway.You really know your stuff Thanks
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I have the tow package, telscoping mirrors,...
Then you have the max tow pkg, with probably around 7,700 pounds GVWR, with probably 500 pounds or so more payload capacity for hitch weight than I have. So you may be able to tow that trailer loaded to 7,000 pounds gross trailer weight and ~910 pounds tongue weight without exceeding the GVWR of the truck.
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What type of gas mileage you getting with f-150 when towing?
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What type of gas mileage you getting with f-150 when towing?
6 to 10 MPG on premium gas, depending on trailer profile, wind direction, terrain, speed and load in the trailer. On earlier trips I determined that the MPG was better enough with premium gas to pay for the increased cost of premium. So I usually run regular when not towing, but premium when towing.

Last week I towed from Midland TX to Fort Irwin CA with an empty 7x14 cargo trailer, cruising at 68 MPH most of the way, and averaged about 9 MPG. Then we loaded the trailer to about 6,000 pounds, added a huge bulldog and a calico cat in the back seat, and returned to Austin TX, cruising most of the way at 62 MPH , and got about 8 to 9 MPG. One leg from near Tucson to the Continental Divide began at about 6 MPG and slowly improved to 7 MPG, then 8 MPG for awhile, then about 9 MPG for the last leg of the trip across the Hill Country to Austin. Unloaded in Austin, then drug the empty trailer 300 miles home to Midland County at 65 MPH and averaged about 9.5 MPG. 2,893 miles between 5:30 p.m. on Wednesday and 10:30 a.m. on Monday. Longest day was 700 miles from Blythe CA to Van Horn TX on Saturday. Other days included 580 miles on Thursday, 536 miles on Friday, and 584 miles on Sunday.

No problems with power to pull the hills and mountains with that EcoBoost engine, but when those twin turbos begin talking you know you're burning lots of gasoline. Comparable power and torque to my '99.5 PowerStroke diesel, but the diesel consistently got 12 to 12.5 MPG when towing 8,000 pounds @ 62 MPH.
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I have the tow package,telscoping mirrors,its the Winnebago Minnie 2014 2201DS,says dry weight 4800 LBS.Getting Blue Ox Sway pro install to handle hitch weight and sway.You really know your stuff Thanks
Winnebago's numbers are misleading. The total dry weight of that unit is 5440lbs. You have to add the tongue weight to the axle weight. If you do that and subtract that from the GVW then you get the payload capacity of 2180lbs. It's highly unlikely you'll load 2180lbs in that TT. There simply isn't enough storage compartments to fill. The average camper seems to take about 1000lbs with them in a TT. So assuming the TT really does weigh 5440lbs and you add 1000lbs you'll be at 6440lbs loaded. I don't think you can get 1000lbs in that TT, but normally brochure weights are on the low side, so using 6440lbs as a bench mark is probably not to far off.

6440lbs will give you a 770lb+/- tongue weight. Look on the door of your truck for the payload capacity of your truck. Figure out the weight of all the other items you'll be putting in the truck and see if you're under the payload number. IMO you should be okay. You may be close on payload but that's okay.
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Ford says this for the 2014 F150.
Towing Capacity 11,300 pounds
Payload Capacity 3,120 pounds

This tow capacity rating is TOTALLY dependent on the rear axle ratio. I have the 3.73 and it tows like a dream. You can get the axle ratio off the VIN number.
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I have 2013 king ranch f-150 v6 Eco boost with a tow package,it's says can pull 12000 pouns,i bought a winnebago Minnie tt dry weight 4600 ,after reading all posts I am nervous,the dealer is putting sway pro hitch ,am I ok.?
You should be just fine. My Minnie fully loaded is around 6300.
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I picked up my Winnebago 2201Ds ,I tow it with my 2013 F-150 King Ranch .Its tows like nothing is there so easy.Everything is good
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