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03-18-2017, 08:17 AM
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Towing with F150
howdy anyone towing travel trailer dry wt 7400lb gvwr 8995 hitch 1050lb. Looking to tow with f 150 3.5 turbo boost 3.73 axle rating max towing 11200lb. trailer is a everlite thanks
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03-18-2017, 08:47 AM
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It will pull it, but likely you will be over weight ratings. You will have ~1500 lbs payload and that trailer will eat up around 1200 of that when loaded and ready to camp.
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03-18-2017, 09:28 AM
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What year F150. The newer ones 2015+ have pretty high payload ratings. One thing to look at is the reciever rating. Usually they're 10% of the tow rating.
11,200=1,200 for tongue weight WITH a WDH. If you're at 1050 lbs now you'll be over the 1,200 more than likely.
Add in a battery (50ls), propane (40lbs). WDH (75lbs) and even the slightest amount of gear in the front of the TT (50lbs) and that all adds up to 1,215 lbs. Those are the bare minimum weights.
Now look on your drivers side door or door jamb for the CCC rating. It's a yellow sticker that tells you what the max cargo you can haul in the truck. Subtract all the passengers weight and any other items that will go in the truck when you go camping like bikes, wood, tows, BBQ, etc. That's what you'll have left for the 1200lb TW.
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03-18-2017, 09:58 AM
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howdy thanks for your reply, its confussing for sure. haven't bought the truck yet. but I have this info gvw of truck 7350 gtw 11200 pay load 1764. the rear end is 3.73 the gcwr is 17100 for super crew 145bed 4 by 4. can you help explain this for me
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03-18-2017, 10:48 AM
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I have a '13 Platinum F150 Screw 4x4 3.5 EB with Max Tow and 3.73 rear and pull a 7,500 GVW (~6,500 loaded for a trip) 31' overall length TT using a Blue Ox Sway Pro WDH. While this is a sweet handling rig, I would NOT want to pull anything longer or heavier personally. It's not a matter of power; the 3.5 EB has plenty of power. It's more a matter of exceeding weight limits as others already mentioned, stopping and handling safety.
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03-18-2017, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by oxman
howdy thanks for your reply, its confussing for sure. haven't bought the truck yet. but I have this info gvw of truck 7350 gtw 11200 pay load 1764. the rear end is 3.73 the gcwr is 17100 for super crew 145bed 4 by 4. can you help explain this for me
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Is that payload door sticker # or Ford literature #?
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03-18-2017, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by drittal
Is that payload door sticker # or Ford literature #?
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I'd say it's door sticker. My F-150 is 1777 and his has a 350# higher GVW than mine, and mine isn't heavily optioned. From the numbers he posted, I'm guessing that it's a pretty high trim level.
He has the higher GVW than me, but a few pounds less payload, so something is adding a lot of weight. That 1050 dry hitch weight is going to kill any real chance of towing that trailer with that truck. He'll be pushing 1200 even with a very lightly loaded trailer, and that leaves very little for passengers and cargo.
When you get into the 30 foot range, you have usually reached or exceeded the effective payload limit for most 1/2 ton trucks.
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03-18-2017, 03:45 PM
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Hi, oxman, and , and to our campfire.
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can you help explain this for me? gvw of the truck 7350
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That's the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the truck, or the maximum weight that can be on the 4 truck tires without being overloaded is 7,350 pounds.
That's the manufacturer's tow rating, or maximum gross trailer weight. That's the maximum weight of any trailer you could pull without overheating anything in the drivetrain of the truck, and without being the slowpoke holding up traffic on steep grades. And it's way overstated, because it assumes absolutely no weight in the truck except a full tank of gas and a skinny driver. And the tow rating assumes your truck has enough payload and hitch capacity to handle the hitch weight of that trailer without being overloaded.
Tow rating is GCWR minus the weight of the truck. So with GCWR of 17,100 and tow rating of 11,200, Ford assumes your wet and loaded truck weighs not more than 5,900 pounds. Of course when you weigh the truck that's loaded and ready for a camping trip, you'll see that the tow rating is a myth. So ignore it and compute your own using the real-world weight of your truck.
Payload = GVWR minus the weight of the wet and loaded truck. So with GVWR of 7,350 and payload of 1,764, that means Ford thinks your wet but unloaded truck weighs 5,586 pounds. Only a good truck scale will tell you what it actually weighs.
The rear axle ratio is one of the factors used to determine the GCWR. The bigger the number, the more power and torque the drivetrain provides to tow a heavy trailer. Standard for a 4x4 is 3.31, with 3.55 and 3.73 being optional. So 3.73 is intended for a towing machine.
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the gcwr is 17100 for super crew 145bed 4 by 4.
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Gross combined weight rating is the maximum combined weight of truck and trailer. It tells you the max combined weight your drivetrain can PULL without overheating anything in the drivetrain, and without holding up traffic on steep grades. But it ignores GVWR and hitch weight ratings, so it's rarely the limiter as to how heavy a trailer you can tow without being overloaded.
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travel trailer dry wt 7400lb gvwr 8995 hitch 1050lb
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You'll probably be overloaded over the GVWR and payload capacity of the F-150. The hitch weight will be about 1,150 pounds if you can keep the weight of the trailer down to about 8,000 pounds. Assuming the payload capacity of 1,764 is accurate, that leaves you 614 pounds of payload capacity for driver, passengers, pets, tools and jacks and jackstands, campfire wood, aftermarket options such as bed rug, tonneau cover or camper shell, and any other weight that will be in the pickup when towing.
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03-18-2017, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by oxman
howdy thanks for your reply, its confussing for sure. haven't bought the truck yet. but I have this info gvw of truck 7350 gtw 11200 pay load 1764. the rear end is 3.73 the gcwr is 17100 for super crew 145bed 4 by 4. can you help explain this for me
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Looking at Fords body service specs shows a 7350 GVWR F150 4wd 145' wheelbase crew cab has a 3900 FAWR and a very small 3850 RAWR.
No doubt the truck can pull its rated tow rating but like all trucks the biggest safety issues is having enough axle/tire/wheel and rear suspension to carry all the weight in the bed and a percentage of weight in the cab.
Run some load numbers for you as a example;
Many F150 4wd crew cab can weigh around 2500 lbs on the rear axle leaving the F150 with around 1350 lbs for a payload in the bed.
The 1764 lb payload from Ford is a GVWR based payload and is to be spread over the trucks front and rear axles. Add 1764 lbs in the bed + 2500 rear axle weight = 4264 lbs (3850 rawr) for a overloaded rear axle/P tires/wheels and rear suspension.
With that small 3850 RAWR I would stick with TT with around 700-800 lb dry hitch weight or a 6k-6.5k dry trailer.
There are F150 that can easily handle a 11200 lb TT.
Ford markets F150 with over a dozen different GVWRs up to 8200 GVWR and RAWR up to 4800 lbs good for around 2300-2500 lb payload in the bed.
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03-19-2017, 03:04 PM
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Ford gives the F150 a max tongue load of 1220lbs which is max for a classIV hitch. It's going to be hard to keep that trailers tongue weight under that rating.
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03-19-2017, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by oxman
haven't bought the truck yet.
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Best news is this.
Why buy a truck that is so close to the upper limit? Get a 3/4 ton and don't have to weigh and worry about everything you pack.
That's actually a very capable 1/2 ton but that's also a big trailer. 99.9% of guys driving 3/4 ton trucks did the whole maxed out 1/2 ton towing thing and moved up, and would NEVER go back. You're in a great position to start correctly from the start.
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03-19-2017, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mtofell
99.9% of guys driving 3/4 ton trucks did the whole maxed out 1/2 ton towing thing and moved up, and would NEVER go back.
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Or in my case, I listened, asked questions, and since I really didn't know exactly what trailer I would end up with, bought the 3/4 ton pickup anyways.
No regrets at all.
I have a trailer that weighs a little under 5500 pounds when fully loaded for full time living, and the truck comes in at around 9000 pounds, so I am under the weight limits, including payload, and the stop and go parts of the tow vehicle are not overworked, ever. I'm nowhere near any ragged edge of anything.
Plus in the 3/4 ton pickups there are things that are not available or as good in the 1/2 ton rigs, like the sweet exhaust brake of the Cummins engine in the Ram HD pickups. I can basically descend a hill as fast as I would ascend it.
And with that powerful larger diesel engine, I can ascend the hills at the speed limit, and still have power in reserve. It's much easier to enjoy every trip I've taken when I know that I'm not overloaded and not overtaxing the components. Easy driving means less fatigue and safer overall trips with my setup.
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03-19-2017, 11:16 PM
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3/4 ton truck
what kind of gas mileage do the ford super cap get unloaded and loaded. think I may have posted wrong GTW wt earlier. the true TRW is 8990 not 11200. For sure I want to be safe. That's why I am here asking for all the input. Bought the TT first thinking that the ford f 150 3.5 turbo with 3.73 max tow would be good. was looking at gas milage the 75% of time I not towing as the truck will my every day ride. Thanks again for all the help have a blessed day.
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03-20-2017, 07:19 AM
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You can of course save some $$ by getting a 3/4 ton "GAS" truck if you wish. When you hook up that rv, you'll be very happy you got a 3/4 ...
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