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Old 07-27-2012, 08:28 AM   #1
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Towing with Toyota Tundra

Ok, my head is spinning with all these numbers concerning towing, I need help!! I have an 03 toyota tundra, access cab, V8 with tow pkg. I will be installing a wdh, sway bars and brake controller. Manual states truck can tow 7100 lbs. I am looking at the forest river grand surveyor 255rs...the sticker states GVWR is 6,740...can I tow this with my truck? The trailer is an 04 with sticker of $14,995....could not find it on nada site...suggestions on what I should offer? Thanks....
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Old 07-27-2012, 08:51 AM   #2
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Loaded for a trip you willbe pretty near your limits. $15K for an 8 year old FR sounds high. Check with your bank to see if they can get a listing for that model. I would suspect it's value is under $10k and probably closer to $7K

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Old 07-27-2012, 06:33 PM   #3
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Here's a 2004. also for $14,995.
Used 2004 Forest River Grand Surveyor 255RS Hybrid Travel Trailer For Sale - Camping World RV Sales - Indianapolis

NADA has the 255RS under Surveyor, not Grand Surveyor.
2004 Surveyor Price, 2004 Surveyor Values & 2004 Surveyor Specs | NADAguides

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Manual states truck can tow 7100 lbs.
Then I would limit trailer weight to about 6,000 pounds. Dry weight is about 4,000 pounds, so if you take it easy on loading up the heavy stuff inside the trailer you should be good to go.

It will be very easy to exceed the GVWR of your Tundra with a 6,000 trailer. The Tow rating tells you how much weight you can pull, but ignores how much you can haul.
To be sure, load the truck up with everything that will be in it when towing. Wife, kiddos, pets, equipment, toolbox full of tools, shank and bal mount of your hitch, etc. Go to a truckstop that has a CAT scale and fil up with gas. Then weigh the wet and loaded pickup with everybody inside the pickup.

Subtract the weight of the wet and loaded truck from the GCWR and that tells you the max gros weight of any trailer you can pul without exceeding the GCWR of the pickup.

Subtract the weight of the wet and loaded truck from the GVWR of the pickup and that tells you the max hitch weight you can have without exceeding the GVWR of the pickup.

Tag trailers have hitch weight of 10 to 15 percent of the trailer weight. So to be sure you have enough truck, divide your max hitch weight by 0.15 and the answer is the max weight of any wet and loaded trailer you can tow without bding overloaded.
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We are looking at a 2010 Forest River Surveyor 5th wheel with a slider hitch. We have a short bed Toyota tundra that is 5'5" long. We have been told that this will limit how sharp of a turn we can make. Any feedback on this?
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The Tundra's towing capacity is with just the driver (about 154#'s at that) and NO passengers or cargo, probably not even a full tank of gas either. Everything you load in the Tundra beyond the driver will subtract from the weight you can tow.
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And I still think its value is under $10k.

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We are looking at a 2010 Forest River Surveyor 5th wheel with a slider hitch. We have a short bed Toyota tundra that is 5'5" long. We have been told that this will limit how sharp of a turn we can make. Any feedback on this?
Too bad, but Pullrite does not make a SuperGlide for your 5.5' bed. Reese makes the 30075 slider hitch that will work, but it requires a 6.5' bed to be able to do a 90 jacknife. They have the 30035 bedrail kit and the 58039 adapter kit required to install the hitch in your Tundra. If the slider hitch that comes with the 5er is as good as the Reese 30075, then you can tow a 5er, but you have to be wide awake and not turn too sharp. You'll probably be okay with the hitch slid all the way back as long as you are going forward, but when you back up you can get into too sharp a jacknife in a heartbeat, with the result of cab to trailer contact. Without the hitch slid back, you probably cannot do a tight turn going forward without cab to trailer contact.

So I wouldn't try to tow a 5er with your truck. There are plenty of travel trailers (TT) big enough to overload your half-ton pickup. If your pickup has the heavy duty towing pkg, then look for a TT with a GVWR less than 8,000 pounds. Without the heavy duty towing pkg, you can't tow even the lightest 5er or a TT with GVWR over 5,000 pounds without being overloaded and probably overheat or break something.

I had a 5er that weightd 8,000 pounds when wet and loaded for the road. It overloaded my F-250. So I'm sure it would severely overload your half-ton pickup.

Right now I have an F-150 with GVWR of 7,100 pounds. It is overloaded with my TT that grosses about 5,000 pounds. So tight turns are not your only problem - hitch weight is also a big problem on most half-ton pickups.
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