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Old 03-14-2012, 04:42 PM   #1
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Trailer and Ram or Expedition?

Going on first out of state trip in 2 weeks and just want to make sure I can tow my trailer safely. I have a '03 Keystone Springdale wieghing 9620. I have a '10 Dodge Ram with a 5.7 hemi that I'm pretty sure should do ok. DW wants to pull it with our '06 Ford Expedition EL King Ranch with a 5.4 for the comfort. I also have weight distribution and sway bars. Will the Expedition pull it ok or should I stick with the Ram?
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Old 03-14-2012, 04:58 PM   #2
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You are overweight on the Expedition. Depending on your other capacities (hitch weight, GCVW, ect.) with people and luggage, you may be overweight on the Dodge also.
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Figure your actual towing capacity...not what the brochure says. Actual TC is the GCWR minus the weight of the tow vehicle when ready to tow...or the hitch capacity, whichever is less.
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Old 03-14-2012, 10:54 PM   #4
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Both of those vehicles don't seem to be up to the task...
power, brakes and overall safety.
I'd re-think this mission.
Best of luck!
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Trade the Expedition in on a good used Excursion. You'll be happy.
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I have a feeling yo will be over ratings on either vehicle. Of the two, I'd go with the Ram Hemi. Hopefully you have something other than 3.55 gears in the rear axle...like a 3.92. The EXPY is not the one to use.

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Well, looks like the Expedition is out. I don't mind using the Ram. I've already towed with it for a couple hundred miles so I know how it handles. I've got a brake controller also, is it worth hooking up?
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Most states have a legal requirement that any towed load over 1500 to 3500# (varies by state) have a brake systems and a break away system.

I hope you were not serious about not hooking up a brake controller. If so, let us know where you will be traveling so that we can avoid the area.


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Towing a tt that heavy, in an undersized tv, for everyone's safety you need the brake controller regardless what is legal. You will be unable to stop in time without it.
The expedition is severely undersized. Trailerlife.com has tow ratings available on their website. Keep in mind that your tt should be 20% Less than the max tv tow capacity. Brake controller and weight distrib hitch setup is also highly recommended.
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So I called Keystone and they told me the GWVR was 9620 lbs. And that the Dry Axle Weight was 5960 lbs. I believe the towing capacity for the Expedition is around 9000 lbs. No way I'm gonna have 3000 lbs of cargo loaded.
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Most states have a legal requirement that any towed load over 1500 to 3500# (varies by state) have a brake systems and a break away system.

I hope you were not serious about not hooking up a brake controller. If so, let us know where you will be traveling so that we can avoid the area.

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Ken,
Still a newbie here. Just wanting to make sure that I keep everyone safe. Thanks for your input.
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So I called Keystone and they told me the GWVR was 9620 lbs. And that the Dry Axle Weight was 5960 lbs. I believe the towing capacity for the Expedition is around 9000 lbs. No way I'm gonna have 3000 lbs of cargo loaded.
Our 28' TT has a dry weight of 6300 & 10400 GVWR. My actual traveling weight is about 9K. I also say there's no way we have 3K of stuff. The real story is you can't believe the dry weight unless you actually weighed it. Also I used to tow it with a 3/4T W/Cummins. It wa a load (handling). I now tow it with a 1T dually and I won't go back.
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Well, looks like the Expedition is out. I don't mind using the Ram. I've already towed with it for a couple hundred miles so I know how it handles. I've got a brake controller also, is it worth hooking up?

I have to admit I got a pretty good laugh when I saw your question about whether it was worth hooking up your brake controller. Not making fun of you to be sure.

It is well worth it. With no brakes on the trailer you will see the trailer come around and whack you on the side when you make a panic stop.

I too would question the suitability of your tow vehicles. They are both borderline and while one may be able to pull it the real test will come when you have to make anemergency manuver or emergency stop.

That's when the value of a bigger truck comes into play AND the trailer brakes.
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DoubleJ,
we're not busting your chops, just offering friendly advice.
My first tow combo was a '25 TT and a 2005 Ford Explorer V8. I had an electronic brake controller and weight distrib setup with anti sway bar. All the right stuff.
It towed ok, I guess, but the trailer pushed around my Explorer something fierce. I towed that way for a couple of seasons in relatively short trips 2-3 hours but by the time I reached my destination, I was always fatigued from driving. I called it 'white knuckle' driving as I always had to have two hands on the wheel handling the trailer sway.
Now, I tow a 30' fifth wheel with 2 slides with a Ford F350 CC dually. I towed it to Orlando, FL (900 miles) and felt fantastic. I could drive that rig with 1 hand and had absolutely no sway issues. Night and day. I KNOW my wife could drive it, if she chose.
My wife's cousin has a '26 foot pontoon boat that we towed twice with our Explorer (4x4). they didn't have electronic brakes on the boat trailer. My, that scared me. Towing was fine, but I knew that there was no way I could stop in a panic, if I had to. I'd never do that again, but their truck was broken down, etc... Electronic brakes are a godsend and I wouldn't tow a double axle without them. I call it cheap insurance.
Just trying to pass on lessons learned so you don't have to.
Regardless what vehicle you choose to tow with, install an electronic brake controller. It'll potentially save everyone from a dangerous situation.
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