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Old 02-25-2014, 04:38 PM   #15
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I think some of the problem with some saying theirs tows great and others saying theirs doesn't is based on TT design. Some TT's just tow better period. Our Heartland NT26LRSS never did track well. You could see the rear of the TT just wandering slightly all the time. I even bought a used Hensley Arrow and tried it for a few trips. While it took the movement out of the F150 you could still see the rear of the TT wandering slightly. If you watch the rear of TT's going down the road you'll see some will wander and some won't. It's either improper loading, wrong psi on the TT tires or poor TT design. Ours had the axles closer to center which IMO was wrong. I always though they should be further back. Didn't help that the two recliners, sofa and fresh water tank were behind the axles. My point is the balance needs to be perfect to get a perfect tow.
Yes interesting you post this as I was thinking about that today. The previously mentioned 31 foot trailer we had had the axles near the back. I actually measured it once. I had 20 feet front the tongue to the center of the axles. From there 11 feet to the back bumper. It made for a heavy tongue weight but it towed great. Another factor is the center of gravity of the trailer. We actually purposely looked for a trailer without slides to keep the weight down and the center of gravity lower. Some manufacturers have there non slide model sitting about 8 inches lower than slide models. others I think build the frame the same slide or no slide but typically the frame is higher to made room for the slide from support above the main frame of the trailer. The 31 foot we had was great to tow. The 24 foot lite weight we now have made me more nervous than the 31 foot did crossing the Mackinaw bridge last fall. With the weather the way its been this year we had very high winds coming home. I was afraid they might closed the bridge to trucks and trailers the wind was so bad and it was a cross wind as well. They did not but had reduced speed limits in force for all trucks and trailers. This was one of those days that empty traansport box trailer have the potential to get flipped. So I a little nervous about this brand new 2013 Salem cruise lite getting flipped. I would have no fear pulling the old 31 foot across that bridge. Anyway we had a slow but safe crossing and another great trip ended well.
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One poster even said by going down in size, his tows better.
Did I miss that post. Who was that?
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I think some of the problem with some saying theirs tows great and others saying theirs doesn't is based on TT design. Some TT's just tow better period. Our Heartland NT26LRSS never did track well. You could see the rear of the TT just wandering slightly all the time. I even bought a used Hensley Arrow and tried it for a few trips. While it took the movement out of the F150 you could still see the rear of the TT wandering slightly. If you watch the rear of TT's going down the road you'll see some will wander and some won't. It's either improper loading, wrong psi on the TT tires or poor TT design. Ours had the axles closer to center which IMO was wrong. I always though they should be further back. Didn't help that the two recliners, sofa and fresh water tank were behind the axles. My point is the balance needs to be perfect to get a perfect tow.
I agree totally. Our Jayfeather has the axles toward the rear- making the tongue weight a bit heavier, but overall more stable. It's also quite low profile. To offset the tongue weight a bit, the slide in ours is actually a rear sliding bed. It was quite nice to tow even when it sat a bit nose high from the lift in the F150.
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Good Evening GPScotty, FWIW ... We have a 13 XLT, Max tow, HD, 3.73, 6.5 bed Ecoboost and pulled a 31' TT weighting 8600# with a TW of 1045# all over the Rockies & Northwest part of the country. Used a Husky Centerline hitch and it pulled like a dream. In fact it towed the TT better than our old 04 6.0 F-250 did. It averaged 9.8-10.6 w/ high of 11.4. Now we're towing a 26SAB 5er and it tows it even better.

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"and pulled a 31' TT weighting 8600# with a TW of 1045# all over the Rockies & Northwest part of the country. Used a Husky Centerline hitch and it pulled like a dream."
"Now we're towing a 26SAB 5er and it tows it even better."

He went from a TT to a 5ver - I missed that - still 26 is smaller than 31.

I apologize - I was just showing what CAN happen with longer trailers. I'm not so familiar with the f150 - but have towed my 26' toyhauler with a 1500 and know what I have is better towed with a 2500 and up.
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Someone said they bought a tt without a slide to cut down on the weight. I would think twice about getting a tt without a slide. Any slide...will really open up the space, especially if more than 2 people are using the RV. I would rather get a tt 2-3' shorter with a slide than without a slide.
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I'll report back on this thread when I get our new 35' TT with 2 slides and drive it from WV to PA.
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We had a Forest River Flagstaff TT about 28' and a max weight of 7,000 lbs. It was a decent TT. We pulled it with a 2010 F-150 with the 10-K max and it pulled just fine. What really helped was the Tor-Flex axles by Dexter. That is an independent suspension and it had self-adjusting breaks. The only thing I would have added is shocks. Every TT should have shock absorbers. We traded it for a MH before i could install shocks.

IMHO I would never go over 80% of the rated max towing capacity of any vehicle. You are asking for trouble if you do.

The TT came with 2-3,000 LB axles and I insisted they send 3,500 LB axles.

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"and pulled a 31' TT weighting 8600# with a TW of 1045# all over the Rockies & Northwest part of the country. Used a Husky Centerline hitch and it pulled like a dream."
"Now we're towing a 26SAB 5er and it tows it even better."

He went from a TT to a 5ver - I missed that - still 26 is smaller than 31.

I apologize - I was just showing what CAN happen with longer trailers. I'm not so familiar with the f150 - but have towed my 26' toyhauler with a 1500 and know what I have is better towed with a 2500 and up.
OK thanks I missed that. But you are arguing a point that we are towing too long a trailer with the F150's. He also stated it towed like a dream. And yes you and I both missed the part that he went to a 5th wheel so yes it tows even better.

See I also had stated I no longer have the 31 foot and have a 24 footer light weight. It was not due to safety etc but due to gas prices and we are now empty nesters.
I never went to a 5th wheel with an F150 for the very reason of safety and not overloading. And I am not saying he is as he may have an HD. I have not done the math. A 5th wheel is even harder to keep within weight rating than a bumper pull on a half ton. I opted for the 31 foot with a tongue weight of 900 lbs. A 5th wheel would give a pin weight of 1500 Lbs or more. The gross combined weight might be great but take the payload capacity of the truck will be a problem with 1500 lbs in the box plus the 5th wheel.

The one thing I did not like about our 31 foot was the turning radius. I actually had a CG on the east coast where I could not make a corner. The CG owner knew I would have trouble and escorted us in and pulled back a bush on side and pulled out a post on the other side of a tight corner so we could get in. A 5th wheel would have made the corner.

We just went to an RV show and was impressed with the New Winnebago Destination 5th wheel trailer so I will put that on the retirement list along with a bigger truck to pull it. But for now till we retire my TV need to be a daily driver as well.
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Someone said they bought a tt without a slide to cut down on the weight. I would think twice about getting a tt without a slide. Any slide...will really open up the space, especially if more than 2 people are using the RV. I would rather get a tt 2-3' shorter with a slide than without a slide.
That was me. Good point but witha 1/2 ton and trying to keep the weight down a 31 foot trailer was lighter than a 2 or 3 foot shorter trailer with a slide. That was a number of years ago and technology may have changed some of the weight. But even now we bought a straight 24 foot light weight with no slides to keep the weight down.

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Someone said they bought a tt without a slide to cut down on the weight. I would think twice about getting a tt without a slide. Any slide...will really open up the space, especially if more than 2 people are using the RV. I would rather get a tt 2-3' shorter with a slide than without a slide.
So just out of curiousity. I went to Salem Cruise lites site as trhat is what we have now. I looked at comparable trailers in the slightly over 30 foot range since that has been the topic here. A 262BH at 31' with a slide is 5801 Lbs. A 261BH at 29'1" is only 4314 lbs. OK not exactly the same length but I was looking for a quick comparison. That makes a big difference when pulling with 1/2 ton. Yes you could go to a 23 or 24 foot with a slide but back then the kids where home. The 31 foot gave us a separate bedroom with a queen. The kids had front couch pullout in the front livingroom plus the dinette. The kitchen and bath in the middle gave us lots of privacy.
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I have read all about weight calculations and not over loading, I am wondering about trailer length so tail does not wag the dog. We have an 2013 F150 Ecoboost 4 door & 6.5 box and heavy duty tow package, max tow wt 11000. The truck is 20ft. long. I am thinking 24/28 ft trailer, equalizer anti sway hitch. Max loaded weight of 6000 lbs and hitch of 1000lbs or less, which will not put me over GVWR. What do think my max length should be? All thoughts welcome, rather be safe than sorry. gpscotty
FYI, also consider axle weight limits. With the crew cab, you can exceed the rear axle weight limit before reaching the payload limit.

28' trailer at about 5000lbs dry should work out fine.
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Our 31' TT had the big 12'x3' slide that had the heavy sofa on the part that was behind the wheels. Plus the two recliners in the back and the fridge right over the rear wheels. Put a full tank of fresh water in (which was behind the rear wheels) and it made for an interesting tow. The TT sat really high with 3 steps to get in.
It was our 2nd TT and was way bigger than the 1st which was only 22' long with no slides. So we thought all TT's would tow good. We learned a good lesson on that. If I ever get another TT I'll know what to look for and also will be test towing it.

It even came from the factory with TW under 10%. So right off the get go it was trouble.
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It even came from the factory with TW under 10%. So right off the get go it was trouble.
See, to me thats weird. They put countless resources into designing these things- you would *think* a lightbulb would have come on to let them know that would be like swinging a sock with a grapefruit in it.
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"and pulled a 31' TT weighting 8600# with a TW of 1045# all over the Rockies & Northwest part of the country. Used a Husky Centerline hitch and it pulled like a dream."
"Now we're towing a 26SAB 5er and it tows it even better."

He went from a TT to a 5ver - I missed that - still 26 is smaller than 31.

I apologize - I was just showing what CAN happen with longer trailers. I'm not so familiar with the f150 - but have towed my 26' toyhauler with a 1500 and know what I have is better towed with a 2500 and up.
Yeah it's is a tad shorter. The 5er is 29'4" & the TT was 31'4" ...so 2 ft.
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