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Old 09-22-2017, 01:45 PM   #1
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Need input - I have a 2016 Tundra 5.7 V8 6.5' bed with tow package and controller. It is a 4x4. GVWR is 7,100 with towing capacity of 9,600 lbs. Occupancy and cargo is 1,295 lbs. I was thinking about purchasing a Flagstaff 524RLWS 6,741 dry weight with 1,134 hitch wgt. It is 27' in length. Is this too much trailer for the truck? Thanks in advance for your assistance.
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Old 09-22-2017, 01:55 PM   #2
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Yes, if I read your numbers right. It would seem your hitch weight takes up just about all your cargo capacity.
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With a dry hitch weight of 1,134 once you load the 5th wheel it's going to put you over on your Tundra's GVWR. What you need to do is weigh your Tundra with full load of fuel. That way you'll have a better idea of how much weight you can add to it. With a GVWR of 7100 if it was me I'dd keep it in the 6800/6900 range when loaded.
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Would I be better off to go with a travel trailer at this time? I've looked at a Flagstaff 26RBWS that is 29'8" in length. It has a dry weight of 5,996 and hitch of 788. Is this reasonable? I just got a little concerned after reading all the issues with sway on travel trailers. Thanks again for the advice.
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If you have a good WD hitch with sway control you will be fine with that trailer.
Is this your first RV ? The 26RLW would work also. Between those two floor plans I like the RLW. It gives you the easy chairs in the rear for watching tv or just lounging. It also is more like the 5th wheel you first asked about.
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I haven't had one in about 10 years. I have had one each (tt & 5th). What is some of the better WD hitches that you would recommend? Thanks
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I haven't had one in about 10 years. I have had one each (tt & 5th). What is some of the better WD hitches that you would recommend? Thanks
In 30+ years of RVing we've had three different TT. We used a Easy Lift which we just transferred between those. The last TT we had was pulled by a F-150 SC SB with a 302.
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Absolutely best hitch is the ProPride 3P, next is the Hensley Arrow which you are more likely to find as a used hitch. But, If it were me, for the small differences in dry weight and pin/hitch weight between the fiver and TT, I would go with the fiver. I would exceed the truck's GVWR but not the rear axle GAWR or tire rating. But that is what I would do for the sake of greater stability, easier hookup, etc. I'd rather have that 1200+ lb weight directly above the truck's rear axle than an 800+ lb weight acting thru a 4 ft lever on the entire truck frame and steering.

Otherwise, get an even lighter TT or a truck with more capability. My $0.02.
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Would I be better off to go with a travel trailer at this time?
Of course. The main reason is your tow vehicle (TV) doesn't have much payload capacity for hitch weight,. Travel trailers (TTs) average 13% wet and loaded tongue weight while smaller 5ers average about 18% to 20% pin weight (weight of the kingpin on the 5er hitch). So you'll probably be overloaded with even a very small TT, and severely overloaded with a small 5er.

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I've looked at a Flagstaff 26RBWS that is 29'8" in length. It has a dry weight of 5,996 and hitch of 788. Is this reasonable?
You'll probably be overloaded. Wet and loaded trailer weight will probably be over 7,000 pounds, hitch weight (including the WD hitch) of about 1,000 pounds. Dry weights are misleading - you won't be towing a dry trailer.

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I just got a little concerned after reading all the issues with sway on travel trailers.
And you should be concerned enough to never buy a cheap TT hitch but instead buy a top-of-the line weight-distribution/sway control hitch that lists for around $1,000. Or if you absolutely want no trailer sway, then invest in a ProPride hitch that lists for about $2,500, the way I did.

There is a persistent myth that 5ers tow better than TTs. But that's true only if you tow the TT with a cheap hitch. I've towed a 9,000-pound 5er for over 10 years and 100,000 miles, and I've towed a TT with a ProPride hitch about 20,000 miles. My TT with the good hitch tows as good as my 5er ever did.

The good TT hitches in the range of $1,000 MSRP include:

Equal-I-Zer

Blue Ox SwayPro

Reese Strait-Line

Husky CenterLine HD #31390 (not the less expensive TS)

You can buy those from online discount vendors for about $500 to $700, complete with adjustable shank and spring bars.
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Occupancy and cargo is 1,295 lbs.
This is just really limiting.

It's fairly easy to put that much in the truck (and bed) before hooking up a trailer. As mentioned, dry weights are totally misleading. I'd add to that max tow ratings. That max tow rating could almost never be reached unless there was nothing in the truck or bed but a single, light driver. All the numbers given by manufacturers are under very certain circumstances that would almost never be achieved in the real world.
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Thanks for all the info. I'm going to look at some lighter tongue weights. I'll also invest in the better WD hitch. Thanks again
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My wife and I have been going back and forth on TT's. I would like to get your opinion on these specs. Flagstaff Super Lite TT - 26RLWS, hitch 650 lbs. UVW 6,098 lbs. Does everyone think this is pushing my limits too close. Thanks again for your help and allowing me to get your honest opinions.
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Good question. What does the manufacturers tow specs tell you?
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Your biggest limiter is the cargo limit of just 1295. That means the hitch weight (closer to 750) plus the WD hitch (150 or so) your wife, the kids, dogs, coolers, anything that goes in the truck must all add up to less than 1295. My F150 can two 9200 like your tundra, but my cargo capacity is 1900 so I have an extra 600lbs to spare. I tow a heavier trailer but am under limits for total weight and cargo weight.

The 6098 is not bad, and if you carry your stuff in the trailer (spread the load) instead of in the truck you should be OK. If it's just you and the wife and little light kids you will be under but close.
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