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chunker · 07-03-2018, 06:55 AM

No this isn't how many channels the television gets, the other TV. Currently have a 2016 F-250 SD CC diesel that I bought to tow a lighter 5th wheel and it works well BUT I'm planning to sell the motorhome this fall and get a Grand Design Solitude 310 with a GVW OF 15K. I'l spec it with a generator, dual pane windows, outside kitchen, and possibly FBP. All options that add weight. Factory UVW lists as 12,100# and I'm trying to find the weight of various options. Best guess and respondse from some who have parts of them, generator 300#, windows 250#, kitchen 100#, FBP 100???. Most windows are aft of wheels so has - affect on pin weight. Generator probably 2/3 + to pin, FBP 20% to pin, kitchen 20% to pin. My new UVW is going to be around 12,850+-, PIN up from published 2350 to approximately 240+-#. I'm already over the published truck cargo of 2084#. I was surprised how low it was, bad research on my part.

Today I'm going to weight the truck without any trailer BUT I already sabotaged my weights by adding Lin-X bed liner 30+-#, B&W turnover ball 110#, B&W Companion 200#, and a 51 gallon aux tank in bed 45# for additional 385# before any fuel in truck or trailer attached. When I weigh I'm going to fill the aux tank (45 usable) and main tank (26) figuring simple weight of gallon of diesel as 7#, that adds another 490+-# for a total in bed weight of 875#.

Gives me about 12-1400 pin weight capacity which obviously isn't enough by any stretch of the imagination. The weighing is to determine where I am on axle weights. I installed Air Lift 5K air springs, yes I know it has no impact of official truck cargo capacity but guess I need to add another 25# for that kit and have an unhappy round number of 900# added to truck before towing anything.

I see a 1T in my future again. IF I can make it work with SRW I will but not sure what "numbers" the Ford F-350 SRW CC has. Anyone reading this willing to share what the door jamb sticker says. Chevrolet/GMC and Ram info welcome also. While at it, duallys also. My previous TV was a 2012 Ram dually but it's gone with the toy-hauler.

Long winded posting but something we face when towing whether we acknowledge it or not. My F-250 was bought used and I'll look for appropriate 1T used also.

mrgrayaz · 07-03-2018, 07:02 AM

3700lbs sticker on my F-350.

Freqz · 07-03-2018, 07:09 AM

3152 in the very well loaded 2017 6.7 CC SRW (FX4Lariat, FW prep, giant sunroof)

mrgrayaz · 07-03-2018, 07:30 AM

Amazing how much more my XLT has then that lariat.

OP, this thread is OFF FORUM - however, is a collection of a hundred or so payload stickers on a Ford forum - which may be really helpful if you are going the Ford route:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...r-sticker.html

chunker · 07-03-2018, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mrgrayaz

Amazing how much more my XLT has then that lariat.

OP, this thread is OFF FORUM - however, is a collection of a hundred or so payload stickers on a Ford forum - which may be really helpful if you are going the Ford route:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...r-sticker.html

Yes every option and comfort feature subtracts from cargo capacity and it adds up quick. I'm leaning towards the Ford but have had the other brands in the past that served me well.

SmokeyWren · 07-03-2018, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by drwwicks

I see a 1T in my future again. IF I can make it work with SRW I will but not sure what "numbers" the Ford F-350 SRW CC has.

F-350 SRW has about 1,300 pounds more payload capacity than an identically optioned F-250 PSD 4x4. That's about 6,500 pounds heavier fifth wheel trailer capacity.

F-350 DRW about 3,400 pounds more payload capacity than an identically optioned F-250 PSD 4x4.

Can your "get by" with SRW? F-350 DRW has about 2,100 pounds more payload capacity than F-350 SRW. That's about 10,500 pounds heavier 5er than the SRW can tow without being overloaded. That's why all the successful ranchers around here tow their Bloomer LQ horse trailers with DRWs.
Trailers | Bloomer Trailers

Numbers extrapolated from the max cargo weight with slide in camper in the 2018 RV and trailer towing guide. No, I didn't go to a dealership and look at door stickers.

tuffr2 · 07-03-2018, 12:45 PM

You might be able to move up to a 2017 or 2018 F-350 SRW. These trucks were redesigned in 2017. I just bought a gas F-250 an can tell the frame is better than my 2012 Super Duty dually. The 2017 F-250 feels rock solid while my 2012 Super Duty felt less solid.

Now, you know what towing is like with a dually. It can not be beat, but look at a used 2017 F-350. You will notice a difference in feel from your 2016.

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xrated · 07-03-2018, 01:20 PM

drwwicks....first things first. I have a 2016 F350 4x4 Crewcab Dually King Ranch and the payload sticker on the door reads 5270 lbs. The first thing you should be looking at is the GVW of the trailer you are wanting to buy (15,000 lbs) and not the UVW. NEVER buy a truck based on how you think you may load it....base it on GVW of the trailer. So your trailer is at 15K and you want to figure 20% of that for pin weight....so 3000 lbs. Add another 200 lbs for the hitch and you're up to 3200 lbs. Now figure the driver's weight, the passenger(s) weight, any and all cargo (tools, firewood, grill, cords, chairs, whatever you put in the truck or the truck bed). You know better than anyone what all extras you will be bringing along, as well as how many passengers and what they weigh. It's pretty easy to see an additional 600-700 lbs above that 3200 lbs we mentioned earlier. Are you going to put an aux. fuel tank in the bed of this one also? There's another 500-600 lbs to add in. So, without the aux tank, you're possibly in the 3800-3900 lbs. With the aux tank and full of fuel you could be in the 4300-4500 lbs. Either scenario likely puts you in dually territory

chunker · 07-03-2018, 07:29 PM

Sometimes I hate myself for doing the right thing and research. Went to the scales today with the F-250. Stopped and filled with 45 gallons diesel in the aux tank, full fuel tank 26 gallons minus about a gallon to drive there, 2 5 gallon diesel "cans", small boat tire and a couple small aluminum ladders. No tools in the truck, just me at 180#.
Steer axle 4820
Drive axle 4000
Gross weight. 8820

So I'm 2100# away from rear axle weight of 6100 and 1680 from GVW of 10,500. And I didn't even have a lunch packed.

Yes a 1T is in my future and as has been pointed out I should go dually and be safe and right about it. Yes I'll put the aux tank in it because I hate stopping every fuel stop. Yes I remember the Ram dually and it was a breeze to drive towing. Sometime a PITA when driving around town on trips though.

I did get some door stickers from some used 17 F-350s and the cargo is around 34-3500# and GVWR of 11.5K. It may not be realistically possible but yet I know lots who are and with 3/4T.

chunker · 07-04-2018, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by xrated

drwwicks....first things first. I have a 2016 F350 4x4 Crewcab Dually King Ranch and the payload sticker on the door reads 5270 lbs. The first thing you should be looking at is the GVW of the trailer you are wanting to buy (15,000 lbs) and not the UVW. NEVER buy a truck based on how you think you may load it....base it on GVW of the trailer. So your trailer is at 15K and you want to figure 20% of that for pin weight....so 3000 lbs. Add another 200 lbs for the hitch and you're up to 3200 lbs. Now figure the driver's weight, the passenger(s) weight, any and all cargo (tools, firewood, grill, cords, chairs, whatever you put in the truck or the truck bed). You know better than anyone what all extras you will be bringing along, as well as how many passengers and what they weigh. It's pretty easy to see an additional 600-700 lbs above that 3200 lbs we mentioned earlier. Are you going to put an aux. fuel tank in the bed of this one also? There's another 500-600 lbs to add in. So, without the aux tank, you're possibly in the 3800-3900 lbs. With the aux tank and full of fuel you could be in the 4300-4500 lbs. Either scenario likely puts you in dually territory

I disagree with the comment about not being concerned with UVW. That figure is a starting point for figuring your load and available CCC. The trailer I am seriously considering, Solitude 310GK has a UVW of 12,100 but the options I want on it, generator, dual pane, awning toppers and couple others, add a bit over 800. Puts me with a realistic 12,900+ UVW. Take the GVW of 15,000 and my CCC has been reduced to 2100 not 2900. Since some of the heavy options are forward of the wheels, generator, outside kitchen etc. the pin weight has increased more. In my case the B&W turnover ball mount is 110#, Companion 200#, FULL aux fuel tank 385#, tools I carry ??#, my truck's cargo capacity is reduced. Using UVW to figure what I can carry helps me stay under GVW. Using GVW to figure towing capacity and ability of the TV is critical.

I flew helicopters for 45 years and loading the things is critical to a successful take-off and landing. Not only weight but center of gravity. When thinking CG think how a load affects pin or hitch weight. Course none of this matters is you buy an under rated truck and over weight trailer. Last summer saw a 43'+ toy-hauler being towed by a 3/4 truck. Trailer likely in the 20K# range with a truck well under rated for it. But that's not uncommon as we know.

Just like those who view an open space as available room to put stuff, if the engine will pull it (sorta) then it's good for them.

Enough rambling. I'm putting truck looking/purchasing on hold until I know what I need, sell a few things I have, and finish this summer/fall trip in the motorhome. Fall will clear my head.

tuffr2 · 07-04-2018, 07:48 AM

That is one heavy F-250. That weighs almost as much as my 2012 F-450 with me, tools, 5th wheel hitch, blocks, full fuel. It weighed 9,000lbs with 5,000 front and 4,000 rear. I did not have an aux fuel tank.

I think a new F-350 dually will have a 48 gallon fuel tank. If you put an aux fuel tank in it, wow the range you will have.

chunker · 07-05-2018, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tuffr2

That is one heavy F-250. That weighs almost as much as my 2012 F-450 with me, tools, 5th wheel hitch, blocks, full fuel. It weighed 9,000lbs with 5,000 front and 4,000 rear. I did not have an aux fuel tank.

I think a new F-350 dually will have a 48 gallon fuel tank. If you put an aux fuel tank in it, wow the range you will have.

Yes it surprised me how heavy and my lack of CC for the truck. I'll either have to "squeak by" with a SRW 1T or just bite the bullet and go back to a dually and have no issues with weight with anything I'll get. No I have absolutely no interest in a 45' Mobile Suites or New Horizon 5th wheel. Those are heavy suckers.

Cumminsfan · 07-05-2018, 08:38 AM

Upgrade your tires and or rims for more RAWR. My 18 Ram 2500 came with 275/70/18 tires that are rated for 364 lbs each. Thats 7280 lbs for the RAWR. If you want to look at it that way.

chunker · 07-05-2018, 11:16 AM

Any single component does not increase, or decrease, a GVW/RAWR or CC rating. Some people add air springs and think they magically have 5000# more capacity. Ain't happening. Since I don't know what the weak link in any rating is, I have to go by published ratings and decide based on that. Is a rating deliberately reduced to keep a vehicle out of certain federal rating zones? Who knows and no way to know. My truck's tire rating is 3750# for 7500# total on the rear but that doesn't make my rear axle rating 7500 instead of 6100 which is the published rating.