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Old 11-03-2012, 10:52 AM   #15
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The GVWR on the 2008-'10 450 pickups is 14500--maybe 16000 is for the Cab/chassis?
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Oops! You're right. CRS attacks again. Yeah the 2008-'10 F-450 pickup had 14.5k GVWR and the chassis cab had 16K GVWR. 14,500 is adequate for his trailer if it has a GVWR of 18K. But 13,300 GVWR of the 2011 and 2012 F-450 pickups is not enough for his trailer.

IRV2 has a stupid rule that won't allow editing a post after an hour or so, so that error will stay there and be proof that ole Smokey is getting old. CRS has set in. I'll be 74 on November 7th.
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Old 11-03-2012, 11:31 AM   #16
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I'm not far behind you--and only reason I knew this is I own one of them 450s.

And I think I read they are upping the Gross for the 2013 with bigger brakes?

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Old 11-03-2012, 01:31 PM   #17
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Smokey,


Thanks so much, I am looking at a 2008 and have not bought it yet but you explained a lot and helped make me feel comfortable

Thanks
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:43 PM   #18
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Thanks so much, I am looking at a 2008 and have not bought it yet but you explained a lot and helped make me feel comfortable.
Don't get too comfortable yet. Now that we know the year, we can get more specific.

The 2008 F-450 pickup had three versions, called Job 1, Job 2, and Job 3, You want a Job 3, with automatic transmission, produced during CY 2008.

JOB 3 ORDER GUIDE UPDATES – Effective on all vehicles
built on or after Job 3 (01/02/08 – Subject to change)



The High Capacity Trailer Tow Package (535) is no longer

available. The standard max GCWR for F-450 PU with automatic
transmission is now 33,000 lbs. The standard max GCWR for F-
450 PU with manual transmission remains 27,000 lbs.



IOW, if you get a 2008 F-450 pickup with automagic tranny produced in CY 2007, it must have the optional high capacity tow pkg, or else it will have only 29,000 GCWR. The month/year of assembly is on the Federal Certification label, that sticker on the doorpost that includes VIN, tire size and inflation info, and several codes for paint, axle, etc.

A stick shifter was available


If that sticker says the truck was assembled in CY 2007, then my CRS won't allow me to remember how to tell whether or not it has the High Capacity Tow pkg except by reading the window sticker. If the window sticker is not available, then any Ford dealer can use the VIN to run an OASIS report to print out a "build sheet" that shows all components and options on that truck

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Tsronco,
If you are interested in the window sticker...

Go to this website:

http://fordlabels.webview.biz/webvie...XW43R39EA28714

and put the VIN of the truck you are looking at in the URL in place of the example--then hit go and the window sticker of the truck will come up. This will tell you exactly what the truck is equipped with.

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If you are interested in the window sticker...

Go to this website:

http://fordlabels.webview.biz/webvie...XW43R39EA28714

and put the VIN of the truck you are looking at in the URL in place of the example--then hit go and the window sticker of the truck will come up. This will tell you exactly what the truck is equipped with.

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Wow cool thanks
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Smokey do they have another name besides 1, 2 or 3? I don't see that mentioned any where

And sorry to the op for the hijack
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Just check the build date--a Job 3 was anything after 01/01/08--they had all the changes that the first 2 production runs showed was needed.
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Smokey do they have another name besides 1, 2 or 3? I don't see that mentioned any where
That's the only names I know.

Ford Job numbers greater than 1 indicate that major changes were made during the model year. Every model year has a Job 1. For years, Job 2 was because the smog rules changed as of Jan 1 each year, so Job 2 usually just meant the truck was changed enough to comply with the new rules. Job 3 was rare, but 2008 had a Job 3.

For a very general explanation of 2008 Jobs 1, 2, and 3, click on the following link:

2008- 2010 General Questions - Diesel Forum - TheDieselStop.com

To get the specifics for a particular model, you have to have the Ford Order Guide for that model. Here's the full text about Job 3 for the 2008 F-450 pickup. Note that diesel engine was std, so all F-450 pickups had a diesel engine:

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JOB 3 ORDER GUIDE UPDATES – Effective on all vehicles built
on or after Job 3 (01/02/08 – Subject to change)

•The Front License Plate Bracket is no longer standard. The Front
License (153) is available as an option on all trims and is forced in
states where required.

•The Rapid-Heat Supplemental Cab Heater (41A) is now available
with manual transmission.

•Engine Idle Shutdown (63T) is required on 6.4L Diesel with
Automatic Transmission in the following states: CA, CT, DE, GA,
ME, NJ, NY, NC, PA. Optional on 6.4L Diesel with Automatic
Transmission in all other states. Can be deleted for vehicles
ordered by dealers in CA, CT, DE, GA, ME, NJ, NY, NC, and PA
for delivery outside of those states. California and affected green
states require non-exempted vehicles with diesel engines rated
over 14K GVW to incorporate an idle shutdown system to prevent
extended engine idle periods. After a predetermined period, the
engine PCM automatically shuts down the engine and triggers the
accessory module to shutdown power to the accessories to
minimize battery drain.

•Engine Idle Shutdown Exemption (63E) is optional on 6.4L Diesel
in all states for delivery and certification in the following states: CA,
CT, DE, GA, ME, NJ, NY, NC, PA. Requires certification that the
state exemption requirements are met.

•Reverse Vehicle Aid Sensor (76R) is not available with Engine Idle
Shutdown (63T),

•Engine Block Heater is now standard in the following cold weather
states: Michigan, Vermont, Idaho, New York and New Hampshire.

•The High Capacity Trailer Tow Package (535) is no longer
available. The standard max GCWR for F-450 PU with automatic
transmission is now 33,000 lbs. The standard max GCWR for F-
450 PU with manual transmission remains 27,000 lbs.

•A Winter Front Grille Cover is now standard and only available in
the following states: AK, CO, ID, IA, ME, MI, MN, MT, NH, NY, ND,
SD, VT, WI, WY.
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A stick shifter was available






Sorry for that incomplete thought. The internet went blooie while I was editing that post, and I couldn't complete the sentence. It was intended to say:

A stick shifter was available for 2008 F-450 pickups, but GCWR was reduced to 27,000 pounds, which is not enough for your needs. So you have to have the automagic tranny in your 2008 F-450 pickup if you want to tow that heavy trailer without being overloaded.
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Tsronco,
If you are interested in the window sticker...

Go to this website:

http://fordlabels.webview.biz/webvie...XW43R39EA28714

and put the VIN of the truck you are looking at in the URL in place of the example--then hit go and the window sticker of the truck will come up. This will tell you exactly what the truck is equipped with.

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That is a great site. It must not work on older models. Mine would not come up. Did I do it wrong?? 1FTNW21F43EA05826
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Mine would not come up. Did I do it wrong?? 1FTNW21F43EA05826
Is the VIN correct? When I entered that VIN, it bounced with:

"The VIN entered was not found in our system. VIN requested is 1FTNW21F43EA05826"
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Is the VIN correct? When I entered that VIN, it bounced with:

"The VIN entered was not found in our system. VIN requested is 1FTNW21F43EA05826"
I got that number off the door sticker and then checked it with the number on the dash. I will check it again. This is on a 2003 F250.
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My vin would not come up on the above site.

I did a search and found a couple alternate sites for vin decoding but they don't offer the window sticker.

The Ford Truck 17-Digit Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) Decoder


VIN Number Decoder offer to you by Ford Trucks Enthusiasts | www.ford-trucks.com
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