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Old 02-19-2014, 10:38 AM   #29
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FWIW on maintenance my 12 Ram takes 12 qts of oil and filter. $52.00 at Walmart.
Anyone that owns an F150 5.0 needs 8 qrts of oil. Ford specs semi syn for their gassers. Works out to about $38.00 for a DIY oil change with filter.

So a whopping $14.00 more for an oil change.

Now add a fuel filter for the my Ram at $62.00 from the dealer (cheaper on line but I buy local).
Lets figure 2 oil changes and a 1 fuel filter change a year since that's what I do with my retired driving style and it's a total of $166.00 a year for maintenance on the Ram.
Ford F150 5.0 is $76.00 a year.
Wow a whopping $90.00 more a year to maintain a diesel.
I was using the 5.0 as an example since it's pretty popular and yes gassers will vary.
My old 2010 5.4 used 7 qts of semi syn so minus $4.73 from the $76.00 gasser oil change.

I didn't do air filters cause that's probably a wash depending on what brand you buy.

Point is if $90.00 breaks the bank then you're doing something wrong.
I just fail to see the argument that diesel maintenance is way more than a gasser. It's just one of those internet myths that's always brought up.
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Old 02-19-2014, 10:51 AM   #30
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Illegal, but yes, you can delete all emissions different "ways."
The product is widely available so no issue there. Not really expensive. And even if rules change, they won't apply to your truck.
Thanks, I usually keep my vehicles a very long time, literally until the wheels fall off ,so I do not want to get stuck having to buy some proprietary product, and get hung out to dry everytime I need the mandatory product.
Volvo, and Mercedes are big on that sort of thing.
I like several of the Sprinter type MHs, but will never buy something with the Mercedes emblem on it.
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Old 02-26-2014, 07:15 PM   #31
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With a 2010+, you are going to spend a good deal on maintenance alone.
How do you figure that. Ask the people with the old Ford powerstroke diesels or the GM diesels that needed $5,000 fuel injector repairs or head gaskets replaced how much they "saved". GM has changed its diesel engines 5 times since 2004 (LB7, LLY, LBZ, LMM, LML) and each time it was to correct defects in the engines to improve reliability. Ford had to do the same with its powerstrokes which is why a used Ford sells for so much less than the same year diesel powered pickup from RAM or GM. Having to use DEF and having a DPF is only a problem if you want to travel around in Mexico where it is hard to find ULSD fuel. For towing less than 8,000 lbs there is no reason to get a diesel and pay more for the truck, more for the maintenance, and more for fuel than with a gas V-8. Only need to get the appropriate rear end with 4.10 or lower gearing to compensate for the power band of the gas engine.
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:12 PM   #32
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Try towing my Teton with gas.
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I just towed a 9,000lbs trailer from Atlanta to Connecticut. Mostly around 70mph and got 15.5mpg with my 2012 Ram 2500 6.7 diesel.
Not towing back at 75-80mph... 20+mpg.
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I just towed a 9,000lbs trailer from Atlanta to Connecticut. Mostly around 70mph and got 15.5mpg with my 2012 Ram 2500 6.7 diesel.
Not towing back at 75-80mph... 20+mpg.
Oh ya, well I recently towed my 9000lb 5'er over to the coast and back in Oregon and got 17.4 mpg running 75mph.
Non towing I get over 23mpg running 80-85mph.

It's a 2012 2500 CC LB 4x4 CTD 3.73. I think it's my stock 245/75/17" tires that really help with my great mileage.

These Cummings motors are sure something.
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Oh ya, well I recently towed my 9000lb 5'er over to the coast and back in Oregon and got 17.4 mpg running 75mph.
Non towing I get over 23mpg running 80-85mph.

It's a 2012 2500 CC LB 4x4 CTD 3.73. I think it's my stock 245/75/17" tires that really help with my great mileage.

These Cummings motors are sure something.
What engine is that???
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Oh ya, well I recently towed my 9000lb 5'er over to the coast and back in Oregon and got 17.4 mpg running 75mph.
Non towing I get over 23mpg running 80-85mph.

It's a 2012 2500 CC LB 4x4 CTD 3.73. I think it's my stock 245/75/17" tires that really help with my great mileage.

These Cummings motors are sure something.
I have my EGR and DPF turbo back delete stuff sitting in the garage.
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How do you figure that. Ask the people with the old Ford powerstroke diesels or the GM diesels that needed $5,000 fuel injector repairs or head gaskets replaced how much they "saved". GM has changed its diesel engines 5 times since 2004 (LB7, LLY, LBZ, LMM, LML) and each time it was to correct defects in the engines to improve reliability. Ford had to do the same with its powerstrokes which is why a used Ford sells for so much less than the same year diesel powered pickup from RAM or GM.
I chose a diesel because I tow 9k+ and didn't want to worry about whether I included my wife, dogs, and a full tank of gas in the weight calculations when we selected the rig. We tow in the mountains a lot and am weary of the engine screaming while doing 25-30 mph on a grade as with our previous lighter rig.
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How do you figure that. Ask the people with the old Ford powerstroke diesels or the GM diesels that needed $5,000 fuel injector repairs or head gaskets replaced how much they "saved". GM has changed its diesel engines 5 times since 2004 (LB7, LLY, LBZ, LMM, LML) and each time it was to correct defects in the engines to improve reliability. Ford had to do the same with its powerstrokes which is why a used Ford sells for so much less than the same year diesel powered pickup from RAM or GM. Having to use DEF and having a DPF is only a problem if you want to travel around in Mexico where it is hard to find ULSD fuel. For towing less than 8,000 lbs there is no reason to get a diesel and pay more for the truck, more for the maintenance, and more for fuel than with a gas V-8. Only need to get the appropriate rear end with 4.10 or lower gearing to compensate for the power band of the gas engine.
I have four vehicles(2 cars, one SUV and one HD pickup). Three of them are diesels. I can tell you that your point about value is totally incorrect. Maintenance is about the same, fuel efficiency is basically double of a comparable gas model (real world- forget EPA) and the resale value of a diesel trumps anything else, unless you bought one brand new with all the bells and whistles, but even then it depends on the car.
Price at the pump depends on where you live. Some places diesel is way over taxed. But in most places the gap is not as bad and diesel price is about what premium gas is. Either way, it's still worth it if you do the math on mpg in most cases.
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Around here diesel is about 60 cents higher than regular gas. But I'm getting about 40-45% more mpg towing a 50% heaver rig. I'm sure replacing the injectors would eat through any savings in a hurry but gassers can have expensive repairs also.
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Our current diesel price is $0.50 more than regular and only $0.10 more than premium (for you ecoboost guys).

But still, you pay 15% more than regular to go 30-50% farther down the road. Diesel gets you so far ahead, it's financially not even close in most cases.

The only advantage (and the reason I still have one gas car) is for short trips to the store and the ball field with the kids. But any time I go more than 5 miles, it's compression ignition for me.
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I fill up at the local Meijer station in my area the fuel price are: regular gas $3.69 a gallon and diesel is $3.99 a gallon. With premium being $4:04 a gallon; this was as of Friday 03/07/14. And a lot of cars today require premium fuel so to me diesel is the only way to go.

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Our current diesel price is $0.50 more than regular and only $0.10 more than premium (for you ecoboost guys).

But still, you pay 15% more than regular to go 30-50% farther down the road. Diesel gets you so far ahead, it's financially not even close in most cases.

The only advantage (and the reason I still have one gas car) is for short trips to the store and the ball field with the kids. But any time I go more than 5 miles, it's compression ignition for me.
Ford Ecoboost do no require premium fuel. They just advertise more HP with premium. We have one and I have tried premium, and you can tell no difference. All I run is regular now and still have plenty of power, low end diesel like torque.
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