Go Back   iRV2 Forums > TRAVEL TRAILER, 5th WHEEL & TRUCK CAMPER FORUMS > Trailer Towing and Tow Vehicles Discussion
Click Here to Login
Join iRV2 Today

Mission Statement: Supporting thoughtful exchange of knowledge, values and experience among RV enthusiasts.
Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on iRV2
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 07-31-2012, 09:24 AM   #15
Moderator Emeritus
 
RustyJC's Avatar


 
Texas Boomers Club
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Cypress, Texas USA
Posts: 8,854
Quote:
Originally Posted by MRBB View Post
Wow, everyone is all over the map here. With under 12k to spend he is not going to get a 2007 and above truck with 6 speed trans so let's be real here....
Let's not get our knickers in a twist, OK? I used the 6.7L with 6-speed as an EXAMPLE. My point, as I stated it above, is that one cannot look ONLY at the final drive ratio to make a determination of its suitability for unloaded highway driving. The transmission ratios also must be taken into consideration. Top gear ratios, for instance, are different on the 47RE/48RE automatics, NV5600/G56 6-speed manuals and NV4500 5-speed manuals that the OP will encounter in pre 2007 trucks.

Rusty
__________________

__________________
2016 Ram Longhorn 3500 Dually 4x4 CCLB, 385/900 Cummins, Aisin AS69RC, 4.10
2014.5 DRV Mobile Suites 38RSSA #6972
Come join us on a TEXAS BOOMERS rally!
RustyJC is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 08-02-2012, 03:13 AM   #16
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: lancaster CA
Posts: 543
I have a 2001 Dodge 5.9 with auto 3.54 gears. 55 mph 1600rpm in direct, 12 mpg with a 12000 gvw 5r. Combination weight at 18,000 lb. 50,000 miles of towing with this truck. 7000 mile oil change, 40,000 trans change, 12mpg when towing average over 12000 miles. This truck is blue booked at around $13,000. Would highly recommend 2001 dodge. Go to dieselgarage.com to review diffrent problems with used diesels of all brands.
__________________

__________________
oldbeek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 01:40 PM   #17
Senior Member
 
Jon Mopar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 596
true, it all depends on the truck and it's transmission etc, so saying a rear-end ratio is good or bad it's entirely correct. I had a 3/4 ton V10 with 4:10 that was thirsty beyond belief. My 3500 V10 has a slightly lower ratio Dana 80 (3.73 I think it is??), and pulled just as effectively, but without drinking as much. I spend about $10-15 less in fuel per, so it was savings I can calculate.

if you're budget is under $12k though, we need not talk about late model trucks here. If you want a clean truck with lower miles, you're going to be looking at like 02s and prior. It's better to get an immaculate 97 with low miles, then say an 07 with a gillion miles. I kinda giggle when people get out there towing guides to calculate the GCWR etc ratings, and follow them like gospel when speaking in regards to older HD trucks. Although it isn't honestly a bad idea to have a general figure of what you can/can't tow, you can go a bit over your limit. A 1 ton can handle it, easily. After all, it's not like we're talking about a 15k lb+ trailer here. If it's on 3 axles and if the tongue weight isn't anything crazy, you'll probably have more than enough truck to pull it, even with a 3/4 ton

I don't think my Ram (stock other than upgraded rear suspension) has ever pulled a trailer in its entire life that wasn't waaaay bigger than what it was supposed to haha. That included occasionally pulling my friend's 34ft Silverton mini-yacht on a quad-axle from storage to his place... that thing has to weigh over 18k lbs. A bit too much weight, I'll admit (I was glad there weren't many hills along the way), but it still got the job done. I am vigilant on my maintenance and all fluids. Never a problem.

As far as older Cummins Rams go, I've driven the auto, 5spd manual & 6spd man w/the H.O engine. There wasn't enough difference to seek out any truck in particular. I actually wasn't a fan of the 6spd personally, but that's just me.
__________________
36ft Damon Intruder Class A - 37ft National Sea Breeze LX Class A
-Past RVs: 19ft Sportsman, 24ft Jayco, 30ft Coachmen Mirada. We had some good times.
"Im a car guy...you've been warned" lol
Jon Mopar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 07:38 PM   #18
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 32
Wow, alot of great info here. Thanks for all the ideas. We will let you know what truck we end up with.
__________________
timberframe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 07:51 PM   #19
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,943
I have 1999 F-350 Crew cab dually with the 7.3Diesel and 4:10 rear and a Banks kit. Can't be beat. I pull an 18,000 trailer with a race car in it. Back then Dodge had nothing to pull a load. Duramax GM was just coming out. 7.3's are getting a premium. I have 2-1999's and a 2000 Excursion with the diesels. They have been great.

An if anybody telling you a Dodge back in 2000 was a good pulling machine, we use to have hundreds of tow vehicles at the tracks, no Dodges. I don't think you can beat the new ones though.

If you get a heavy trailer, 3:73 gears are always going to have your engine loaded. 4:10 will be easier on the engine. Same mileage.

What ever you do stay away from the Ford V-10's.I have a 2000 diesel excursion and get 16-18MPG and we had a V-10 version that got 8.9MPG. Same year same body and gears.
__________________
Perry White is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 10:00 PM   #20
Senior Member
 
M zoll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Evansville,IN
Posts: 152
Send a message via MSN to M zoll
I have a 1999 f350 crew cab DRW 4.10 rear 7.3 auto, I get 8 mpg pulling 14,000, 5th wheel.
and 16 empty city or road
__________________
M zoll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2012, 11:15 PM   #21
Senior Member
 
Jon Mopar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 596
Quote:
Originally Posted by Perry White View Post
An if anybody telling you a Dodge back in 2000 was a good pulling machine, we use to have hundreds of tow vehicles at the tracks, no Dodges. I don't think you can beat the new ones though.

If you get a heavy trailer, 3:73 gears are always going to have your engine loaded. 4:10 will be easier on the engine. Same mileage.

What ever you do stay away from the Ford V-10's.I have a 2000 diesel excursion and get 16-18MPG and we had a V-10 version that got 8.9MPG. Same year same body and gears.
The Dodge I used to occasionally pull a close to 20,000 cabin-cruiser with?? a 1997 Ram 3500 V10 that's slightly beefed up....it's not even a diesel.

It's one of those things though, talk to 10 different people, get 10 different answers. Ford people will say Dodge front ends weren't the best, while Chev guys will tell you Ford's front ends were garbage, and that Fords burn through injectors an turbos like their candy, yadda yadda yadda

I worked for heavy equipment service center and transport logistics company, and all our service trucks were mainly Dodges (those things saw some abuse let me tell you. They ran 24/7). We even 2 Dodge wreckers, and 2 ford F450 flatbeds. We had the most maintenance/repair down-time with those Fords than all the others. Good working trucks when they worked, but they always had something acting up. The owner would have went with Dodges sooner, but the higher sticker prices were the the main thing holding him back. Why do companies use Fords?? When I worked for Ford back in college, it was mainly because our trucks were thousands less than the others. With heavy duty work trucks, a similarly equipped GM was $2k more, and Dodge was over $4k more. Plus Ford offered the best fleet discounts. Ford rules the Fleet market.
__________________
36ft Damon Intruder Class A - 37ft National Sea Breeze LX Class A
-Past RVs: 19ft Sportsman, 24ft Jayco, 30ft Coachmen Mirada. We had some good times.
"Im a car guy...you've been warned" lol
Jon Mopar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-03-2012, 08:22 PM   #22
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,943
Ford 1 ton service vans. Can't be beat. Plus still made in the good old USA. Where's Dodge making there trucks? Got 200 Acres to sell Cheap In Fenton Mo.
__________________
Perry White is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2012, 12:55 AM   #23
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: lancaster CA
Posts: 543
You will find great deals on 2004 Ford 6.0 diesel. They are a pure disaster area. ref dieselgarage.com Major engine problems. V-8 engines are much harder on oil than a straight 6 no matter who builds them. Ran a fleet that used oil sampleing. In heavy use the ford and gm would break down the oil in 4,000 miles. The dodge would go 8,000 with the same wear metals showing up in the oil. Wear metals in oil sample means wear in the engine.
__________________
oldbeek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2012, 01:32 AM   #24
Community Moderator
 
Scarab0088's Avatar


 
Damon Owners Club
Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: SoCal
Posts: 14,018
A suggestion to get the MOST FOR YOUR MONEY...
Search CraigsList, AutoTrader, etc for trucks in Texas.

Pick-ups are so common there and Texans LOVE big HD trucks.
I saved about $8,000 over a duplicate used truck in Cali by making a deal and flying to Dallas.

Best of luck!
__________________
Kim and Steve, Mustang LCDR (Ret), Damon Outlaw #1193
I have seen gross intolerance shown in support of tolerance, Samuel Coleridge
https://www.irv2.com/attachments/signaturepics/sigpic84535_7.gif
WE LOVE OUR OUTLAW RV
Scarab0088 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2012, 02:05 AM   #25
Senior Member
 
J Birder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Lake County, IL
Posts: 1,194
There's a good article at http://www.dieselpowermag.com/features/1201dp_10_best_used_diesel_trucks/viewall.html.
__________________
Retired electronics engineer. Avid paddler & birder.
2011 Silverado 2500HD, diesel, 4x4,crew cab, 8' bed
Palomino Puma 253FBS (27' 5er) & '94 19' Class B
J Birder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2012, 04:54 AM   #26
Moderator Emeritus
 
RustyJC's Avatar


 
Texas Boomers Club
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Cypress, Texas USA
Posts: 8,854
Quote:
Originally Posted by Perry White View Post
An if anybody telling you a Dodge back in 2000 was a good pulling machine, we use to have hundreds of tow vehicles at the tracks, no Dodges.
Well, that's a first for me. Whatever their brand loyalty, I've NEVER seen anyone that wanted to debate the ability or applicability of the 5.9 Cummins to tow a heavy load. There are many of these 2nd generation trucks still out there working daily for their owners, and a number of these are million-mile trucks. Our 2002 Cummins HO/6-speed Dodge dually is still going strong for its current owners.

Rusty
__________________
2016 Ram Longhorn 3500 Dually 4x4 CCLB, 385/900 Cummins, Aisin AS69RC, 4.10
2014.5 DRV Mobile Suites 38RSSA #6972
Come join us on a TEXAS BOOMERS rally!
RustyJC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-04-2012, 05:21 PM   #27
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 32
Thumbs up

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scarab0088 View Post
A suggestion to get the MOST FOR YOUR MONEY...
Search CraigsList, AutoTrader, etc for trucks in Texas.

Pick-ups are so common there and Texans LOVE big HD trucks.
I saved about $8,000 over a duplicate used truck in Cali by making a deal and flying to Dallas.

Best of luck!
I bought a truck today. I picked up a 2001 Ford f350 diesel 7.3. It has 152,000 miles. It goes down the road good and I guess time will tell how nice of a truck it is. This will be my first diesel in a truck, (Had a perkins diesel) in a farm tractor once. Have to have a fifth wheel installed yet. I kind of wish I would have taken the idea of purchasing a southern truck, but perhaps next time. Thanks for all the advice in purchasing the truck.
__________________
timberframe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2012, 04:59 PM   #28
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 60
Do yourself a favor and fill the diesel tank full, then go to a public
scale and weigh your truck, if like mine it should be close to 8K,
my 2004 has a gross weight of 20K leaving me 12K for towing a
loaded trailer. My TT loaded is about 7700 lbs.
__________________

__________________
Phil & Alberta Saran
2015 Thor Hurricane 34E with V10
2011 Dodge Dakota 4x4 towd
Philip.Saran is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:27 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.