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Old 06-01-2013, 12:03 AM   #43
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Heres a real world example.........My 2500 Dodge/Cummins has a unladin rear axle weight of 2860 lb and a 6000 RAWR. That leaves me with a 3140 lb max payload. Now my 11200 lb 5er has 2200-2400 lbs of pin weight which gives the truck a 5260 lb rear axle load or 740 lbs under axle/tire load ratings.
But you cannot exceed your GVWR, or your front axle rating or your rear axle rating. You can't look at the loading on your rear axle in isolation. I'd be surprised if you can really have 3140 max payload. I suspect you are well over your GVWR. You should be taking your GVWR and subtracting your total truck scale weight.

This is a post from the Dodge Deisel forum: "Just remember, their numbers for the truck base weight and payload are way off..... My 2012 3500 ST CCLB with my 5th wheel hitch, tool box, full tank of fuel and two people weighs 8300#. This gives me a real world payload of 1800# and not 2800# as Dodge suggests. Had I bought a 2500, I would have been over GW of the truck by about 400# when towing our 5th wheel."

Not trying to attack you, just trying to understand how you can come with 3140 lbs as an okay payload.

I'm with Jack1234 - gotta get to the scales.....
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Old 06-01-2013, 12:19 AM   #44
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I think some of you guys are way over analyzing these weights and capacities..thats why the rest of us are confused..im even confused about the weighing part..
Appreciate your frustration but if you want a simple answer ....

Does the "estimated weight" of your proposed set-up exceed the "published" GVWR or the GCVWR of the proposed truck? If so....buy a bigger truck or a smaller trailer.

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Old 06-01-2013, 02:48 AM   #45
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Can i make Camping World responsible for selling us a tt that our truck cant tow?
Only if they put it in writing, that you could safely/legally tow the trailer with your truck.

Remember that 95% of RV salesmen that you meet , DON'T even own an RV and were working at Big 5 two weeks ago selling running shoes.

JMHO. If all the RVs , MHs , TTs, 5ths on the road were made to run over the scales and had the weights checked against their GVWR , 50% would be pulled off for being over weight; and if they were to start checking GCVW 15% more would be gone.
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Old 06-01-2013, 09:07 PM   #46
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But you cannot exceed your GVWR, or your front axle rating or your rear axle rating. You can't look at the loading on your rear axle in isolation. I'd be surprised if you can really have 3140 max payload. I suspect you are well over your GVWR. You should be taking your GVWR and subtracting your total truck scale weight.
This is where you and I defer. As other folks I don't use the trucks GVWR to figure loads on the rear axle. I gave my unladin rear axle weight and my payload numbers.
I can't help what other 2500 Dodge/Cummins owners trucks weigh. I've hauled for a living for a numbers of years with these trucks and keep a scale ticket of front and rear axle weights in each of my trucks.
My scaled gross weight is 9200-9400 depending on how the trailer is loaded. No issues in over 218k miles.
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Old 06-01-2013, 09:11 PM   #47
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Can i make Camping World responsible for selling us a tt that our truck cant tow?
That'd be nice if you could sue for them selling you what you wanted.
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Old 06-01-2013, 09:28 PM   #48
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I think some of you guys are way over analyzing these weights and capacities..thats why the rest of us are confused..im even confused about the weighing part.. So im out! No more questions from me.. Thanks to those of you who really tried to help me out!
Typical of most RV forums when it comes to weights issues. Hope you read this email from a California (DOT) Commander that was started by another RV website member with the same type weights questions for his truck and 5th wheel trailer.

".This is in response to your electronic mail dated October 14, 2009.
First, allow me to apologize for the untimely response to your e-mail.
My staff recently received your request and by the date of your e-mail,
it appears to have been lost in the system. You were requesting
information pertaining to state laws limiting the gross vehicle weight
rating (GVWR) and/or gross combined weight rating (GCWR) for fifth wheel
and recreational vehicle owners. I have answered each of your questions
in the order asked.

Q: “Many of the owners travel over their tow vehicle GVWR and /or
GCWR. Are there any state laws against this? Or does the owner just
take the risk if they wish?”
A: The California Vehicle Code (CVC) does not contain a law that
specifically limits the amount of weight a vehicle may tow based on the
towing vehicle GVWR or GCWR. There are, however, laws that limit the
amount a vehicle may tow based on other criteria.

Section 21715(b) CVC prohibits a motor vehicle under 4,000 pounds
unladen from towing any vehicle weighing 6,000 pounds or more gross
weight. This section would apply to smaller pickups and Sport Utility
Vehicles attempting to tow large trailers.
Section 1085(d) of Title 13 California Code of Regulations prohibits
the loading of tires above the maximum load rating marked on the tire,
or if unmarked the maximum load rating as specified in the applicable
Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard, or in a publication furnished to
the public by the tire manufacturer. This would most likely happen in
the case of a pickup truck towing a large fifth wheel travel trailer, as
those types of trailers tend to transfer a larger portion of their
weight to the last axle of the towing unit causing that axle to exceed
the tire load limits.

Section 24002(a) CVC prohibits a vehicle or combination of vehicles
which is in an unsafe condition or which is not safely loaded and which
presents an immediate safety hazard from operating on the highway. This
section provides officers the authority to stop a vehicle or combination
of vehicles that is, in the officer’s opinion, unsafe to operate on
the highway. This section could be used to prohibit a driver from
continuing until the unsafe condition is fixed.

I trust this has adequately answered your questions. Should you desire
any further information, please contact Officer Ron Leimer, of my staff,
at (916) 445-1865.
Sincerely,

S. B. DOWLING, Captain
Commander
Commercial Vehicle Section"

This is why I suggest to you to check with your state size and weights office/local state troop for how much weight you can legally carry or your state may have a weight you have to register your truck at. They will have your answers.
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JIMNLIN, It would be very interesting to know when the regulations were first set out and how often they were up-dated; if ever !
4000lb tow vehicle with a 6000lb trailer sounds like mid 60ies.
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This is my last comment to this thread! I know you guys will be soooo happy! Lol.. Well, we no longer have to worry about the
Weight capacity of that Dodge Ram.. It sure was pretty and all, but just couldnt do the job.. So we are now proud FORD super duty
Diesel owners with lots more power and lots more weight.. Took it for a test run today and it was mighty windy here at the beach..
My husband said it handled very well.. No more fighting the wheel.. And he couldnt tell the TT was back there!!!!
The wind was a might rough..but have to expect that here at times!
Im out! Thanks for the help! Good luck with your weights and capacities gents! Happy Camping!
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SheCon843,
Glad that you got a truck capible of towing the load, the handling well and safely is the whole idea of calculating the weights and being within the manufacturers specs.
Hope you have many years of enjoyment out of your new setup.
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This is my last comment to this thread! I know you guys will be soooo happy! Lol.. Well, we no longer have to worry about the
Weight capacity of that Dodge Ram.. It sure was pretty and all, but just couldnt do the job.. So we are now proud FORD super duty
Diesel owners with lots more power and lots more weight.. Took it for a test run today and it was mighty windy here at the beach..
My husband said it handled very well.. No more fighting the wheel.. And he couldnt tell the TT was back there!!!!
The wind was a might rough..but have to expect that here at times!
Im out! Thanks for the help! Good luck with your weights and capacities gents! Happy Camping!
Just a quick question: what motor does it have?
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Just a quick question: what motor does it have?
She said diesel, so if it's a new one, or at least '11-up, it has the 6.7L Ford diesel.
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Engine size

Not really sure what size the engine is.. I think its the one that wren said..lol..
See how much i know.. All i know is its big..takes diesel and its hard for me to climb into.doubt if ill ever drive this one.. Drove today from SC to VA.. My husband said drove great.. Frankly..i think he drove too fast , I think he pushed the envelope a little so to speak...tomorrow, to NJ..
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I am glad I am just a dumb redneck. All this is much to complicated for me. My pickup is an 08 chev duramax 35000 single tired rear. That year all from 2500 to 3500 with dual tires were only rated to pull a 15000 lb. 5th wheel. Mine is a 39 ft. toyhauler that averages 1700 lbs. I always have full tank of water, never know what will happen and I would never stay in campground if I didn,t have to. And this is my full time home.
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