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Old 08-23-2005, 04:47 PM   #71
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Shoot Don, I'll put my 7.3L Power Stroke up against any gasser and walk away on the hills and pass them at the gas pumps to boot.

More torque and on a broad flat torque curve.

And only 450 Lb-Ft of torque...

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Old 08-24-2005, 05:26 PM   #72
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The other advantages of better resale and being bio diesel ready are just gravy (on fries) for diesel owners. RVers may have to all go diesel the way fuel prices are going.
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Old 08-25-2005, 07:46 AM   #73
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by allendp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alan554:
I have driveability and throttle response no diesel truck has. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You obviously haven't driven a late model Dodge with the Cummins HO Turbo Diesel. If you had I don't think you would make the above statement.

And you obviously haven't driven a late model big block GM gas truck either. I readily concede you have more pulling power up grades, at altitude and get better fuel economy, but to believe any stock turbo-diesel has throttle response to compare with a naturally aspirated gas engine (not towing), is not realistic.


I'll put my Dodge Ram 3500 up against any gasoline powered truck in any category (towing, climbing, mileage, throttle response, acceleration, etc). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alan554:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by allendp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Alan554:
I have driveability and throttle response no diesel truck has. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You obviously haven't driven a late model Dodge with the Cummins HO Turbo Diesel. If you had I don't think you would make the above statement.

And you obviously haven't driven a late model big block GM gas truck either. I readily concede you have more pulling power up grades, at altitude and get better fuel economy, but to believe any stock turbo-diesel has throttle response to compare with a naturally aspirated gas engine (not towing), is not realistic.
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I goofed up that last reply to allendp's post and included part of his post in mine accidentally. My bad.
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That does bring up an interesting point. Going from gas truck (s) to diesel I expected to feel turbo lag but never have. The power comes on more linear than jumping to redline but when I mash the go pedal the truck launches like a rocket so maybe someone can explain where I should feel the lag?
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Last week I test drove a '05 GMC D/A 2500 series truck. Man, I'll tell ya, that was the fastest truck I've ever driven. I can see now why diesels are so popular as T/V's. Speed, power, less costly fuel(not by much), what else do ya need. I was truly impressed.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Paul Clancy:
That does bring up an interesting point. Going from gas truck (s) to diesel I expected to feel turbo lag but never have. The power comes on more linear than jumping to redline but when I mash the go pedal the truck launches like a rocket so maybe someone can explain where I should feel the lag? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Turbo lag has been reduced greatly from the bad old days, but it is still there. I remember the old Buick V6 turbos that had horrible lag, but when the turbo kicked in, hold on, you were in for quite a ride.

My throttle response issue with the diesels vs my gas engine is more of a part throttle one. The Duramax trucks I've driven just required too much change in throttle angle, too frequently, to keep up with traffic whereas in the same situations with my big block I just have to "squeeze" the throttle a little to get what I want. And if the bed of my truck is empty and I "mash" the throttle from a dead stop, I usually end up smoking my rear tires. That is what no turbo lag gets you.
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No sense in beating a dead horse here but I just must not be as acutely aware of the difference as Alan is. I find whether I am driving my V6 SUV or my truck they both respond equally well in traffic or on the open highway. I just don't see any difference. Again, I think you have to test drive the latest generation of Dodge Diesel Trucks to appreciate what I am saying.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by allendp:
No sense in beating a dead horse here but I just must not be as acutely aware of the difference as Alan is. (snip) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are right, there isn't any sense in debating this further. We buy the truck we want to buy and they ain't always the same animal. I'm retired from GM so I wasn't going to buy a Ford or Dodge anyway, plus I wanted the Allison something awful after living with the wide gear ratio spreads of the 4L80-E in my motorhome. I could have bought a Duramax, but I didn't want one. To each his own.
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Just an update(brag post I guess, not trying to relight the debate). Pulled the pass I actually bought the diesel for this past weekend for the first time and it was absolute cake. Coquahalla , kelowna to Vancouver and back. Worst grades I've ever seen (many semis avoid this)in the west. We finished the pull from the snow sheds to the summit and I said to my wife "thats it? That can't be it!" The truck was a frieght train up and totally in control coming down. No stops for fuel, speed limit (110kph...could have gone faster but thats not how I drive) all the way. Engine trans temps same as in town (cool) and never dropped below 4th. This is the same pass that almost killed my old truck. I think I chose right the second tv purchase. Truck is stock w 220000 kms....no mods. Passed lots of other TVs/5ers that couldn't maintain the limit (safely...all 4 lane). Made trip in 4hrs...same as car. btw diesel still 10cents per liter cheaper than gas here. Milage 14mpg 6500 lbs 5th.
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A man and his new diesel is as good as it gets...like a boy and a new dog.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Paul Clancy:
Just an update(brag post I guess, not trying to relight the debate). Pulled the pass I actually bought the diesel for this past weekend for the first time and it was absolute cake. Coquahalla , kelowna to Vancouver and back. Worst grades I've ever seen (many semis avoid this)in the west. We finished the pull from the snow sheds to the summit and I said to my wife "thats it? That can't be it!" The truck was a frieght train up and totally in control coming down. No stops for fuel, speed limit (110kph...could have gone faster but thats not how I drive) all the way. Engine trans temps same as in town (cool) and never dropped below 4th. This is the same pass that almost killed my old truck. I think I chose right the second tv purchase. Truck is stock w 220000 kms....no mods. Passed lots of other TVs/5ers that couldn't maintain the limit (safely...all 4 lane). Made trip in 4hrs...same as car. btw diesel still 10cents per liter cheaper than gas here. Milage 14mpg 6500 lbs 5th. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What percentage grade were you pulling? What was your old truck? My trailer is about 4,000 lbs heavier than your 5th wheel and I get 9 mpg in flat country at 58-60 mph.

Diesel here in southeast Michigan was 10 higher than 87 octane unleaded yesterday.
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Grades go from 6 to 10% on a 10 km stretch of hwy5. Old truck was a 94 5.7 liter gas tbi. The historic chev small block,w/tow package. Was a great truck towing flat but this pass was sure to kill it quickly:
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