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Old 02-16-2016, 06:50 PM   #1
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What do you tow with and what age

Hi,

I posted the bit below on another forum/thread trying to get to the truth about what we can tow, safely.

It all started when a dealer told me that one can tow 15 to 20 percent more with a fifth as compared to a travel trailer. Made me wonder. Got some good answers on the other thread but found this so am giving it a try as well.

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I just finished looking at the spec sheet for our Dodge Ram (a 2004) and it seems we have been over with every fifth we have owned. At least when it comes to the stated payload rating which is 1,810 lbs total. From that number we need to subtract our weight and a bit more which brings us to 1,500, about. Almost none of the fifths we have looked at so far have a dry hitch weight below that number. This is going to be interesting.

Looking at the 3500 with all else the same, the spec sheet says 2,700 gross payload. An extra set of springs adds that much? With air bags in place of the extra springs am I good for more as a 2500? Near a 3500?

BTW the spec sheet does not give two ratings, one for tow and one for fifth. It only says for a fifth the pin weight needs to be added to the payload.

I am getting tired of doing this. At least for now. I guess I will go to our local Dodge dealer and see if anyone there has anything to say that is intelligent. I doubt it but will give it a shot.

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Old 02-16-2016, 06:58 PM   #2
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Usually, fiver ratings are higher than TTs, but a payload is what it is...
Take your Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (most it should ever weigh) and subtract what it ACTUALLY weighs--what is left is your payload.
Paper ratings aren't worth much--Gross less actual weight = payload. Push it some, but never over the load ratings of the rear tires.
If the only difference is the extra springs, add the springs to get the 1000lbs if you are concerned about it.
Lots of people in the same boat, with all makes of 3/4 tons.
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Old 02-16-2016, 07:03 PM   #3
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I would first check out the Ram Body Builders Guide web site. As this list towing information and other pertinent information. Here is a link: http://www.rambodybuilder.com/year.pdf


I am towing a 2016, 34RL Cedar Creek with my 2008, Ram Mega Cab. I have switched out the tires and rims to LT285/70R/17 126R Nitto Dural grapplers with a set of Mickey Thompson Sidebiter II rims. The tires are aired to 70PSI rear and 50 PSI front for the correct load capacity. I also have a Mag-Hytec deep transmission oil pan and differential covers on the axles with air bags.
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Old 02-16-2016, 09:41 PM   #4
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I look at max cargo and axle weight ratings. My F-150is rated for a Max Cargo of 1411 lbs. (Yellow sticker on the door) the axles are about 3800 lbs.

My 25 ft Dutchmen has an axle rating of 3500 lbs for each axle.

I go to the scales and weigh the empty TV. Then, loaded, hitched up and ready to travel, I go to the scales. I center the TV between the steering axle scale and the drive axle scale with the TT on the trailer scale.

From the two weights I get the cargo wieght, the TV axle loads and the weight on both the TT axles.

Air bags, helper springs, diffrent tires and other such devices my make your TV sit level, feel less squishy or provide a degree of better handling which is good, but often it has little or no effect on the max cargo or rated axel weight.
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Hi,

I posted the bit below on another forum/thread trying to get to the truth about what we can tow, safely.

It all started when a dealer told me that one can tow 15 to 20 percent more with a fifth as compared to a travel trailer. Made me wonder. Got some good answers on the other thread but found this so am giving it a try as well.

The previous post:

I just finished looking at the spec sheet for our Dodge Ram (a 2004) and it seems we have been over with every fifth we have owned. At least when it comes to the stated payload rating which is 1,810 lbs total. From that number we need to subtract our weight and a bit more which brings us to 1,500, about. Almost none of the fifths we have looked at so far have a dry hitch weight below that number. This is going to be interesting.

Looking at the 3500 with all else the same, the spec sheet says 2,700 gross payload. An extra set of springs adds that much? With air bags in place of the extra springs am I good for more as a 2500? Near a 3500?

BTW the spec sheet does not give two ratings, one for tow and one for fifth. It only says for a fifth the pin weight needs to be added to the payload.

I am getting tired of doing this. At least for now. I guess I will go to our local Dodge dealer and see if anyone there has anything to say that is intelligent. I doubt it but will give it a shot.

Will the real issue ultimately comes down to the fact that you're trying to tow a trailer with the class 2 light duty truck. That's a 10k max GVWR. That means that the truck itself weighs about 8000 pounds and the total payload including passengers and cargo is roughly 2000 pounds. Until you move up to a class III trunk which will be a duly you're going to be stuck in the situation. Class three trucks have a total combined weight rating of 14,000 pounds. In essence, this is why dulies are capable of caring so much more Payload.
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Hi,

I posted the bit below on another forum/thread trying to get to the truth about what we can tow, safely.

It all started when a dealer told me that one can tow 15 to 20 percent more with a fifth as compared to a travel trailer. Made me wonder. Got some good answers on the other thread but found this so am giving it a try as well.

The previous post:

I just finished looking at the spec sheet for our Dodge Ram (a 2004) and it seems we have been over with every fifth we have owned. At least when it comes to the stated payload rating which is 1,810 lbs total. From that number we need to subtract our weight and a bit more which brings us to 1,500, about. Almost none of the fifths we have looked at so far have a dry hitch weight below that number. This is going to be interesting.

Looking at the 3500 with all else the same, the spec sheet says 2,700 gross payload. An extra set of springs adds that much? With air bags in place of the extra springs am I good for more as a 2500? Near a 3500?

BTW the spec sheet does not give two ratings, one for tow and one for fifth. It only says for a fifth the pin weight needs to be added to the payload.

I am getting tired of doing this. At least for now. I guess I will go to our local Dodge dealer and see if anyone there has anything to say that is intelligent. I doubt it but will give it a shot.

the real issue ultimately comes down to the fact that you're trying to tow a trailer with the class 2 light duty truck. That's a 10k max GVWR. That means that the truck itself weighs about 8000 pounds and the total payload including passengers and cargo is roughly 2000 pounds. Until you move up to a class III trunk which will be a duly you're going to be stuck in the situation. Class three trucks have a total combined weight rating of 14,000 pounds. In essence, this is why dulies are capable of caring so much more Payload legally.
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