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Old 11-06-2015, 11:13 AM   #85
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"Their are like 45 different configuration options and you need to get it exactly right to end up with the magical 30k towing number"

Nothing "Magical" about it. They sell trucks with options so people can choose what they want.

Real simple if you want to tow near 30K with a DRW Crew 4X4 you just get the 4:10 with Aisin trans. Oh yea that "Magical" stuff is SAE rated. Not just "Claimed" like Ford does with their 250/350 line. The F450's are SAE rated and I am sure all of the F series trucks will be in 2017 when they finally come out with a modern truck.
I found the article I was looking for. There's just so many configurations for the RAM and you could end up with a far less capible truck if not careful.b it's great to have options, but they advertise 30,000lbs showing a truck that isn't even rated that high. A little false advertising.

Ford options:
Ford Super Duty Maximum Tow Ratings
F-350 DRW 2WD Regular Cab....24,700 pounds
F-350 DRW 4x4 Regular Cab....24,300 pounds
F-350 DRW 2WD Super Cab....24,200 pounds
F-350 DRW 4x4 Super Cab....23,800 pounds
F-350 DRW 2WD Crew Cab....24,000 pounds
F-350 DRW 4x4 Crew Cab with 3.73:1 axle ratio....23,500 pounds
F-350 DRW 4x4 Crew Cab with 4.30:1 axle ratio....26,700 pounds
F-450 DRW 4x4 Crew Cab....31,200 pounds

RAM options
Ram 3500 Maximum Tow Ratings
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Regular Cab with G56 manual and 3.42:1 axle ratio....16,510 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Regular Cab with G56 manual and 3.73:1 axle ratio....18,510 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Regular Cab with 68RFE and 3.42:1 axle ratio....17,550 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Regular Cab with 68RFE and 3.73:1 axle ratio....19,550 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Regular Cab with 68RFE and 4.10:1 axle ratio....22,550 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Regular Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 3.42:1 axle ratio....21,410 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Regular Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 3.73:1 axle ratio....24,410 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Regular Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 4.10:1 axle ratio....30,000 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Regular Cab with G56 manual and 3.42:1 axle ratio....16,130 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Regular Cab with G56 manual and 3.73:1 axle ratio....18,130 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Regular Cab with 68RFE and 3.42:1 axle ratio....17,180 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Regular Cab with 68RFE and 3.73:1 axle ratio....19,180 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Regular Cab with 68RFE and 4.10:1 axle ratio....22,180 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Regular Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 3.42:1 axle ratio....21,030 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Regular Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 3.73:1 axle ratio....24,030 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Regular Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 4.10:1 axle ratio....29,530 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Crew Cab with G56 manual and 3.42:1 axle ratio....15,960 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Crew Cab with G56 manual and 3.73:1 axle ratio....17,960 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Crew Cab with 68RFE and 3.42:1 axle ratio....17,000 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Crew Cab with 68RFE and 3.73:1 axle ratio....19,000 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Crew Cab with 68RFE and 4.10:1 axle ratio....22,000 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Crew Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 3.42:1 axle ratio....20,860 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Crew Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 3.73:1 axle ratio....23,860 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Crew Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 4.10:1 axle ratio....29,360 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Crew Cab with G56 manual and 3.42:1 axle ratio....15,610 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Crew Cab with G56 manual and 3.73:1 axle ratio....17,610 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Crew Cab with 68RFE and 3.42:1 axle ratio....16,660 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Crew Cab with 68RFE and 3.73:1 axle ratio....18,660 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Crew Cab with 68RFE and 4.10:1 axle ratio....21,660 pounds (shown)
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Crew Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 3.42:1 axle ratio....20,150 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Crew Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 3.73:1 axle ratio ....23,510 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Crew Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 4.10:1 axle ratio ....29,010 pounds (shown)
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Mega Cab with G56 manual and 3.42:1 axle ratio ....15,720 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Mega Cab with G56 manual and 3.73:1 axle ratio ....17,720 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Mega Cab with 68RFE and 3.42:1 axle ratio ....16,770 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Mega Cab with 68RFE and 3.73:1 axle ratio ....18,770 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Mega Cab with 68RFE and 4.10:1 axle ratio ....21,770 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Mega Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 3.42:1 axle ratio.....20,620 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Mega Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 3.73:1 axle ratio....23,620 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Mega Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 4.10:1 axle ratio....29,120 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Mega Cab with G56 manual and 3.42:1 axle ratio....15,420 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Mega Cab with G56 manual and 3.73:1 axle ratio....17,420 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Mega Cab with 68RFE and 3.42:1 axle ratio....16,460 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Mega Cab with 68RFE and 3.73:1 axle ratio....18,460 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Mega Cab with 68RFE and 4.10:1 axle ratio....21,460 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Mega Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 3.42:1 axle ratio....20,320 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Mega Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 3.73:1 axle ratio....23,320 pounds
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Mega Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 4.10:1 axle ratio....28,820 pounds


This means you could buy this truck:
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Regular Cab with 68RFE and 3.42:1 axle ratio....17,180 pounds

when you really wanted this truck:
Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Crew Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 4.10:1 axle ratio ....29,010 pounds

I know that customers should research but some people get sold by reps who well tell them anything to make a sale. I know of several RAM owners who were duped into buying a HD Ram by telling them they tow 30,000lbs but ended up with a truck that couldn't even tow 20,000lbs.

Since if you put both trucks side by side you couldn't tell the difference at all.
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Old 11-06-2015, 11:47 AM   #86
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This is the truck RAM advertised as 30K in the 13-15 years.

"Ram 3500 DRW 2WD Regular Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 4.10:1 axle ratio....30,000 pounds"

This is my trucks rating.

"Ram 3500 DRW 4x4 Crew Cab with Aisin AS69RC and 4.10:1 axle ratio ....29,010 pounds (shown)"

The above chart is for a 13-15 truck. The 16's are even higher now.

My truck in a 2016 version would have a 30,120# tow rating.
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Old 11-06-2015, 01:42 PM   #87
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I'll admit that you have one nice truck. I was very close to getting one.
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Old 11-06-2015, 01:46 PM   #88
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To go along with Cobra's post about ratings, you then have salesmen spouting off the 30,000 pound number when referring to SRW diesels, having no idea what they are talking about. This issue wasn't limited to the Ram guys either. Every salesman I talked to when looking between the three for my 2015 purchase all spouted off completely inaccurate numbers, and it was very difficult to convince them otherwise.
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Old 11-06-2015, 02:46 PM   #89
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I was in our 5er dealership a few years ago. The salesman was delivering a trailer to a young fellow with a 2500. Same trailer as the one we had but we have a 450.

Mentioned the difference to the young fellow who assured me the salesman was positive the 2500 was more than adequate. He said the dealership used a half ton to move all of the trailers around the dealership lot.

Several months later I was back and observed they had replaced the half ton with a John Deere of about 60 hp.
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The dealership I bought our 41' DRV from was using a modified tractor to move their trailers around. When they grabbed mine, a second guy had to stand on the front in an attempt to get the wheels back on the ground to do that whole turning thing. I'm sure a 3/4 ton diesel would be fine. :|
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I agree 100% there many variations to the same truck with every manufacture. The days of sales people knowing much are long over. Many have business cards with the last sales mans name blacked out. Lol
People only have themselves to blame for getting the wrong truck. Since the internet there is no excuse about being ignorent about the specs. If it is to confusing then get a friend or someone to guide you.
People need to tell the salesperson exactly what they need and want and not be BSd into what a salesperson wants to sell them.
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I agree 100% there many variations to the same truck with every manufacture. The days of sales people knowing much are long over. Many have business cards with the last sales mans name blacked out. Lol
People only have themselves to blame for getting the wrong truck. Since the internet there is no excuse about being ignorent about the specs. If it is to confusing then get a friend or someone to guide you.
People need to tell the salesperson exactly what they need and want and not be BSd into what a salesperson wants to sell them.

Agreed 100%. I'm sure it can easily be imagined how much those salespeople squirm when not only are they being told that no, they don't have a truck on the lot that is capable of towing 30,000 pounds, they don't have a truck on their lot with the ability to tow my fiver.

"I have customers that tow that much with that SRW 1-ton all day long without a problem!"

"Okay. But I will only be buying a truck with 3.73 or 4.10's, with preference towards the latter."

It gets old going through this process every time you go to a different dealer.
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Cannot go wrong with 3.73 or 4.10 rear ends with most 350/3500. Unless the super heavy units that I will never own.
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Well to throw another wrench in the ring, (it might get throwed back) there really is only three types of trucks......... HDT Heavy duty truck (class 8 ect.) MDT Medium duty truck (class 6/7 ect.) and LGT Little girls truck (1 ton and down) JUST KIDDING GUYS..............
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and LGT Little girls truck (1 ton and down) JUST KIDDING GUYS..............
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Yep - all our little trucks are light duty. The Semi Tractors are the heavy duty trucks and in between are trucks like the Freightliner Sport Chassis.
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Yup drove semi for years, I pull now with an International MDT
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Well to throw another wrench in the ring, (it might get throwed back) there really is only three types of trucks......... HDT Heavy duty truck (class 8 ect.) MDT Medium duty truck (class 6/7 ect.) and LGT Little girls truck (1 ton and down) JUST KIDDING GUYS..............
Yeah, and the HDT and MDT guys have heart attackes when having to buy new tires..... (I'll have a mini heart attack if I change out my 19.5 HSRs)
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