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Old 11-21-2013, 10:38 AM   #15
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Noticed the Chevy had 3.73 rear end. Wonder why they didn't test with the 4.10 since the Ford had 4.30. Should have made some difference, IMHO. Not trying to stir the pot, just asking.
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Old 11-21-2013, 11:18 AM   #16
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Noticed the Chevy had 3.73 rear end. Wonder why they didn't test with the 4.10 since the Ford had 4.30. Should have made some difference, IMHO. Not trying to stir the pot, just asking.
Chevy does not offer anything lower than 3:73s for some reason. 4:10s would definitely make it more competitive. I believe Ford currently does not offer anything lower than 3:73 either on the F350's.
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Old 11-21-2013, 07:20 PM   #17
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Chevy does not offer anything lower than 3:73s for some reason. 4:10s would definitely make it more competitive. I believe Ford currently does not offer anything lower than 3:73 either on the F350's.
Chevy's website shows 4.10 option for 3500's. Maybe it's out of date?
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Old 11-21-2013, 07:47 PM   #18
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Chevy's website shows 4.10 option for 3500's. Maybe it's out of date?

Was that for the 6.0L gasser though? I cannot seem to be able to see or build a truck with a 6.6L Duramax and 4:10 gear. It shifts to a 3:73 with the Duramax option.
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Old 11-21-2013, 07:55 PM   #19
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May i suggest a F-450 they will have slightly lower gears and bigger brakes than a F-350
Yes it might just a bit more fuel than a F-350 however the brakes will last longer as will the engine trans due to less strain with lower gears.
Resale value can be higher (compared to a F-350) as well since a F-450 would have less wear.
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Was that for the 6.0L gasser though? I cannot seem to be able to see or build a truck with a 6.6L Duramax and 4:10 gear. It shifts to a 3:73 with the Duramax option.
You are correct. I selected diesel but did not notice when I selected 4.10's, the diesel went away and the gasser auto selected.
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Google Trail Hauler.... (No folks, no connection)

Many folks buying a 5er ask "Can my tow vehicle tow this" and many a salesman says "Sure,, No problem" as he smiles and pats you on the back. "That Chevy Love can easily tow this 20,000 pound trailer". (Right, no a chance).

People who have Trail Haulers do not ask that question.

It is a "Mini-Freightliner" Semi tractor. and can easily tow 30 thousand.

I think they make 'em out of full size Semi tractors as well.
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People who have Trail Haulers do not ask that question.

It is a "Mini-Freightliner" Semi tractor.
Trail Hauler is one of several versions of Wil Ro Hauler Truck Bodies mounted on mediun duty (class 5, 6 or 7) chassis cab trucks. I wouldn't call it a semi tractor because it has a full hauler bed, not just a fifth wheel mounted on the frame the way semi tractors do. The Freightliner version is mounted on a class 5, 6 or 7 chassis. The tow rating depends on the exact class of truck and the engine power and torque, so it can vary from less than 15k to over 30k.

But Wil Ro has other versions for other brands of chassis cab trucks, including Ford F-450 thru F-750, PeterBilt, Kenworth, and International medium duty chassis cabs.

My favorite is a "baby Peterbilt" that begins life as a Peterbilt Model 325 chassis cab with a PACCAR PX-7 engine tuned to between 200 to 300 hp. Add a tow body from Wil Ro or Western Hauler or Herrin Hauler or other tow body builder and you have a conversation starter around any campfire.
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There are 3 major differences between F-350 and F-450. F-450 has a wider front track which allows it to turn sharper with more wheel cut. Next is the 4.30 gears. Then the 15" brakes vs the 14" brakes. Oh I forgot to mention it sits about 1" higher.

I towed my 15,000 lb. trailer with a 2012 F-450 from just north of Tampa to Columbus Ohio 998 miles stopping for fuel/food/potty breaks only. At 700 miles I had no fatigue. At 998 miles I was tired from being awake...not fatigue from driving. The F-450 tows great.

Then in a 2011 Ram 3500 dually I help my friend drive 550 one way to pick up a 10,000 lb. empty horse trailer. We drove there and back in 24 hrs. His Ram 3500 dually also was a great truck to travel in.

I am not sure how they could improve these trucks much more.
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I have had a silverado 2500 with the Duramax and now have 3500 with duramax. I pull a 40 ft fifth wheel. The 3500 takes the work out of pulling. It is better to be over on how much truck you have to start. If you are going to do a lot of long hauls go with the Chevy - Duramax - Allison transmission. 3500. It will serve you well over the long haul. You are looking at 10 to 11 mpg, pulling.
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Folks who buy these do not ask "Can I tow it" they know.
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Chevy does not offer anything lower than 3:73s for some reason. 4:10s would definitely make it more competitive. I believe Ford currently does not offer anything lower than 3:73 either on the F350's.
My brother just bought a '14 Chevy 3500 crew cab dually and Duramax . He took the wife and I around shopping and we were cruising down the interstate at 75 MPH and only turning 1800 RPM. I thought that was geared a little high but I believe it's in the transmission. I have an '03 GMC 2500 HD with the 8.1 and 3.73 gears and it does 2300 RPM at 75 MPH with the 5 speed Allison.
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My brother just bought a '14 Chevy 3500 crew cab dually and Duramax . He took the wife and I around shopping and we were cruising down the interstate at 75 MPH and only turning 1800 RPM. I thought that was geared a little high but I believe it's in the transmission. I have an '03 GMC 2500 HD with the 8.1 and 3.73 gears and it does 2300 RPM at 75 MPH with the 5 speed Allison.
The Duramax peak torque is around 1600 rpm. It doesn't need a lower rear end. You are at nearly 800lbs of torque at those rpms. A gas engine will need higher rpm to do what a 6.6 will do. Those are both great engines, just run different.
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The Duramax peak torque is around 1600 rpm. It doesn't need a lower rear end. You are at nearly 800lbs of torque at those rpms. A gas engine will need higher rpm to do what a 6.6 will do. Those are both great engines, just run different.
It might be at the peak torque of the engine but that does not mean it is geared low enough. My brother has 2012 d/a 2500 and I rode with him pulling a 24' enclosed trailer with 4 wheelers in it and every hill we hit it changed to 5th gear and some to 4th gear. I was not very impressed with it and can only imagine how it does with 5th wheel toy hauler. I would have thought it would pull much better with 765 #/ft torque but I guess 3.73 is just a little to low for the 6th best overdrive.
I pull exact same trailer with same load in it with my 2011 ram Cummins 2500 with only 650 torque and rarely does it come out 6th gear with cruise on the hills and one mtn we climb in VA the d/a has to run 4th gear at 3200 rpm to run 70 mph up it and my ram climbs it in 5th gear at 2450 rpm. After riding with him I thought it was a good thing that truck had a good tranny as often as it changes gears. Otherwise seems like a nice truck and engine just didn't pull as expected.
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