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Old 01-09-2015, 06:39 AM   #15
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There's a lot of people who either don't know about the weight ratings or just don't care. "Ignorance is bliss" as they say.

Then there are those who claim all weight ratings are bogus; that the manufacturers don't know what they're doing or low-balling the numbers just to get more money out of us.

Then there are some who feel you should stay 20-50% BELOW the manufacturer's weight ratings. I personally am willing to go right up to the manufacturer's weight ratings but try to avoid going over. But have been told that I am "risking the safety of my family" by doing so.

To each his own I guess.

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Old 01-09-2015, 08:23 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by Jbird1311 View Post
Thanks for the multitude of responses. You guys are always more than willing to give opinions and advice. However, I'll be honest, its all a little over whelming and disappointing. I do not want to drive an 02 and I don't have 60k to buy a new monstrosity gas guzzler that will be my everyday vehicle. Its disheartening for me to think that these trailers are so heavy that the average family can't tow without buying a special heavy duty TV. I really thought when I started looking into all of this that the challenge would be to find a TT that the family likes, now i have to find that, plus figure out some wacky magical combination of TV and TT that won't be overloaded and dangerous yet won't overload the budget and wallet. I guess I was just naive to the whole thing. Either that or these families that tow large TT with average TV's are just being dangerous or have nothing in them. Thanks again for your responses and I'll keep shopping.
You'll find some people on the net that will state the highest weights possible, when in reality that's not always the case.
You need to look at the dry sticker weight of the TT and figure out what you take for cargo weight. Forest River makes lots of light weight BH TT that weigh around 5700lbs dry with only 1800lbs for CCC. That's 7500lbs. That would give you a tongue weight between 750lsb and 1125lbs.
12% seems to be the optimal target so if you loaded the TT to max then 900lbs for tongue weight would be more realistic.

If you can find a tow vehicle that has at least 1800lbs of payload then you should be with in your weight parameters.

That will be hard to do with the average SUV. A 1/2 ton truck with the max tow option would be the minimum. Don't even bother lookingat Toyotas or Rams. They have the lowest payloads out there. You'll want to look at Fords with the max tow option and GM with their heavy duty tow option.
You don't need to spend $60,000 for a new one either. You could order an F150 with the HD payload package with the 3.5 Ecoboost for $45,000. Less with incentives. You'll have a nice DD with good mpgs. Payload will be in the 2200+ range.

Here's one I built on Fords site for $43,225. XLT with HD payload package. 2wd. Add $3400 for 4wd.
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Old 01-09-2015, 03:48 PM   #17
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If you can swing it, I've been towing our 33' Jayco TT for the last year with my wife's Infiniti QX56 (4WD). It's rated to tow 8500lbs and the dry weight on our Jayco is about 6100 lbs. It tows fine, but gets about 7-9 MPG when towing...and requires premium fuel. I never pushed it faster than 65 MPH though.
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Old 01-09-2015, 08:15 PM   #18
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A good 1/2 with HD towing or 3/4 ton pickup is probably the best way to go. Lots of good choices out there both new and used.

In the 1/2 ton pickup category the weakest link is payload capacity. A trailer like you are talking about will probably approach #1000 tongue weight.

If you check the towing section on the Jayco Owners Forum, you will find great information on this and other towing related subjects.
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Old 01-10-2015, 09:25 AM   #19
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Originally Posted by Nighthawk 96 View Post
A trailer like you are talking about will probably approach #1000 tongue weight.
TTs average about 13% tongue weight, and some have as much as 15%. If your wet and loaded TT has GVWR of 9,850 pounds has 15% wet and loaded tongue weight, and you load it for a family camping trip to almost the GVWR of the trailer, then you will have a lot more than 1,000 pounds tongue weight.

15% of 9,500 gross trailer weight is over 1,400 pounds. If you buy a tow vehicle (TV) that can have a max of 1,000 pounds hitch weight, then you're probably going to be overloaded. Why not plan for the max trailer weight and max hitch weight you might have, and choose a TV that can handle that much weight without being overloaded?
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Old 01-10-2015, 09:09 PM   #20
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Hey all, a while ago, I wrote about weight limits for my F150 while looking for a TT, have been looking, but now would like to switch gears to look at SUV's to better hold the 3 kids and two dogs while towing. I want something that will tow a 28' and up bunk house. Any suggestions. I was leaning towards a suburban or yukon, but wonder if they are rated big enough to handle it.

As always, thanks in advance for your knowledge and suggestions.
One problem your having is asking what suv will tow a 28' TT. I've seen 28' TT's in the 6500 GVWR range on up to 10000 GVWR range.

And you don't have a tow vehicle for us to give you a factual recommendation on weight numbers. As you see this leaves the dooir open for all kinds of opinions.

Are you looking at new or used tow vehicle ??
Have you looked into used crew cab trucks ??
Check out the '00-'06 GM 1500HD pickups/6.0 engine with a crew cab /8600 GVWR/6084 RAWR with E tires and wheels and the 4L80E HD tranny. These trucks will handle 3000 lbs of payload and handle any 28' TT you want.

Same with the mid '00s 1500 Dodge Mega Cabs with a 8510 GVWR/6000 RAWR/E tires and wheels. This trucks sits on a 2500 frame/chassis.
This truck will handle any 28' TT out here also.

And if you listen to just the weight police they would have you pulling a pop up with a one ton burb.

Our tow vehicles pull trailers by the trailers weight. You won't have any problems pulling a 28' TT as long as the you don't overload the tow vehicle rear axles and stay close to the trucks tow ratings.

Dcarver gave you some actual experience as did others. His 2500 Burb with the big 8.1 big block and the same rear axle as the 3500 burbs will handle any 28' TT on the market as you and every one else has seen.

Don't make any final decisions till you check around other forums and websites for more input and answers on how its safey done out here in the real world. I'll try and send you a pm.......JIM
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Old 01-11-2015, 07:16 AM   #21
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Just for your information. There is a couple staying in our park towing a 32ft McKenzie Ion trailer with a 6 cyl diesel Mercedes SUV. He travels south every year from Quebec to Florida at an average fuel mileage of 17 to 18 mpg.

I noticed he did not use a WD hitch neither as recommended by the manufacturer.
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Old 01-11-2015, 10:57 AM   #22
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Thanks for the responses. I currently have a F150 Fx2 sport that I believe could pull some of the lighter long bunkhouses, but looking for an SUV because of the 3 kids/2dogs. I may just have to settle for a tight fit in the truck instead of going to a 12 yr old SUV. Thanks again all.
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[UOTE=brulaz;2376164]last time I looked it was only 7500# and 750# TW, and like most Unibodys they recommended NOT using a WDH.

The OP could also look Nissans NV 3500 Passenger with the V8. About 2500# payload and 8500# Tow capacity. Not sure what the standard hitch receiver is rated at but hopefully more than 1000# for a trailer of that size.

But, whew, the gas mileage on these things must be horrendous ...[/QUOTE]

I have the touareg TDI. Tows great. But it really needs the optional air suspension.
But I agree with the NV3500. Way more room. A friend has one "loaded" for $32,000.
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Old 01-14-2015, 08:35 AM   #24
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What about a 2500/3500 SRW pick-up truck? Ram builds a Mega Cab that will seat 6 people comfortable and provide the necessary towing capacity that you are looking for. You can get this truck with either the Hemi engine or a Cummins diesel engine. The Cummins equipped truck will also provide three different transmissions options that you can choose from a manual or the 68RFE or the 6 SPD AISIN (3500 only). You will still have a 6’5” bed for items to store in with the Mega Cab truck.
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A crew cab truck is going to be your best option or like others have said a 1ton van. My wife shot down the van idea for us. The older suburbans and excursions were perfect for what your are trying to do but if you don't want a an older TV a truck is the only logical way to go unless you get a smaller trailer. I know a lot of people who are absolutely "anti truck" and will do anything to not own a truck in a situation like this. Do yourself a favor and don't settle for just barely enough or not enough tow vehical
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The 2500 Suburban/Yukon were sold through 2013.
Hard to find, but hard to beat.

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