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Old 03-08-2013, 04:30 PM   #1
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What would you do ? Diesel F-250s - 2000 7.3 vs 2007 6.0

Comparable miles and price. The 2000 isn't as "pretty" inside, but exteriors are all good.

What is a good source for researching towing capacity?

We're looking at getting servicable 5th wheel to go with, then upgrading the 5th wheel in a year or two (to something big with bunks! Maybe a TH?)
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Why are you sooo locked on Fords?
The 6.0L diesels were basically pieces of junk. They can be made decent, but were never as good as the 7.3L Which is really old technology.
Looking at other brands for instance a 2005/6 Dodge Ram Cummins is a far superior motor than any of the two your considering for probably nearly the same price.
Also the Duramax/Allison would be far superior in all aspects and years except maybe the 2004 LLY variant.
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Ford Motor site would be a good start. Research both engines to see if any major issues have been reported by owners. I had an 02 with (I think) 7.3 that was a great truck.
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If you're planning on going bigger soon I'd walk and go to a bigger truck NOW.
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I wouldn't say I'm locked on Fords, I'm locked on what's available. We currently own a 2004 Chevrolet Suburban 1500.

We've also looked at Chevrolet 2500HDs, but they didn't sound right so we walked.

I have yet to see a Dodge under $15,000 that didn't blow blue smoke. Not opposed to them, just haven't seen one yet.

I've only seen a smattering of one tons available, most have been tricked out or rebuilt with 200,000 plus miles.
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Ford 7.3L or Dodge-Cummins. Forget the Ford 6.0L.

Problem with the F250 of that era is the GVWR is only 8800#. The 7.3L is heavy and truck will weigh over 7000#, depending on cab and 4-wheel drive or 2-wheel drive. You will have at the most 1800# available for payload and pin weight total. Probably more likely 1200#.

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The 5.9L Cummins is a time-proven workhorse (no chassis pun intended) that's been around since the 1980s. I don't know where you're seeing all these Cummins blowing blue smoke since anywhere from 500,000 to over 1,000,000 miles before overhaul is easily accomplished. Are you sure that you're not seeing "bombed" trucks that are blowing black smoke because they're overfueled? At any rate, the 5.9 was available through the first half of the 2007 model year when a bored and stroked 5.9, the 6.7, was introduced. I'd highly recommend the 5.9 (or 6.7) Cummins for your consideration. As a bonus, the 68RFE 6-speed automatic was introduced with the 6.7 Cummins.

If you're thinking about a large, heavy 5th wheel, spring for the 1-ton dually now. 5th wheels carry up to 20% or more of their laden weight as pin weight that has to be carried by the truck, so it's not just what it's rated to TOW but also what it's rated to HAUL that's important in your selection process.

If it were me, I'd stay away from the 6.0L Powerstroke. Before you put your money down on one, do LOTS of Googling!

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As noted the 6.0 Diesels aren't the best. I had a 2003 6.0 and I had enough problems with it to get rid of it. The earlier Fords with the 7.3 Diesels are a lot more reliable. But, unless the original purchaser specified lots of optional load capacity, you may find it hard to get a CGVW more than 12,000 to 14,000 pounds. That truck will weigh around 7,000 pounds and that leaves you with only capacity for a 5,000 to 7,000 pound trailer (most likely 5,000 pound) and that will leave you kind of short in capacity for an upgrade.

Personally, I'd go for a later year model GM or Dodge Diesel before I'd get another Ford Diesel.

As time progressed through the 2000s Ford, Dodge, GMC and Chevrolet went through bragging wars about the Torque capacity of their respective Diesel trucks. To go along with the added Torque the manufacturers had to upgrade the chassis of their trucks to keep from twisting them apart. Happily this generally increased the load capacities of the trucks. So, later years have more load capacity.

If I haven't convinced you yet to get a later model truck. How about the wimpy automatic transmissions in the earlier trucks? [Manual transmissions were not a popular option.]
--All Duramax Diesels have a beefy Allison transmission in them. Allison transmissions in the early Duramax years did had some problems with plastic gears that were fixed in later years.
--Ford made a beefy transmission for their trucks starting in 2003 with the 6.0 engine.
--Dodge ditched their 3-speed transmission sometime around 2004/5/6 (? just get a 4 or 5 speed automatic Dodge Diesel and you'll have the beefy truck transmission).
--The easy way to tell if you have beefy truck transmission is look for a Tow/Haul mode selector for the transmission.
--Before these years/models all the Ford, GM and Dodge Diesel trucks had a beefed up 'car' transmission. While they worked fine for what they were, even in light duty use they were only 100,000 mile transmissions. Yeah, there were exceptions but they weren't hauling big loads.
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Dodge ditched their 3-speed transmission sometime around 2004/5/6 (? just get a 4 or 5 speed automatic Dodge Diesel and you'll have the beefy truck transmission).
From 1994 through 2002, the Dodge/Cummins used the 47RH and (starting in 1996) the 47RE 4-speed automatic. From 2003 through January 1, 2007, the 48RE higher-torque-capacity 4-speed automatic was used. Both of these are derived from the 727 Torqueflite 3-speed automatic as used in the 60s behind Street Hemis and 440 Magnums with the addition of an overdrive 4th speed.

Starting on January 1, 2007, Dodge went to an all-new 6-speed 68RFE automatic with the 6.7L Cummins pickups that was derived from a Mercedes truck transmission design that was on the drawing boards back when the company was DaimlerChrysler. Cab & chassis trucks use the 6-speed Aisin automatic because it provides PTO capability.

A 3 or 5 speed automatic were NEVER offered on any 2nd generation forward Dodge/Cummins truck.

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From 1994 through 2002, the Dodge/Cummins used the 47RH and (starting in 1996) the 47RE 4-speed automatic. From 2003 through January 1, 2007, the 48RE higher-torque-capacity 4-speed automatic was used. Both of these are derived from the 727 Torqueflite 3-speed automatic as used in the 60s behind Street Hemis and 440 Magnums with the addition of an overdrive 4th speed.

Starting on January 1, 2007, Dodge went to an all-new 6-speed 68RFE automatic with the 6.7L Cummins pickups that was derived from a Mercedes truck transmission design that was on the drawing boards back when the company was DaimlerChrysler. Cab & chassis trucks use the 6-speed Aisin automatic because it provides PTO capability.

A 3 or 5 speed automatic were NEVER offered on any 2nd generation forward Dodge/Cummins truck.

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Thanks for the update. I was guessing on the year transition.

So, my brothers previous Dodge Diesel had to be a 2007 or later. That Dodge was a lot better than his older Ford (mid 90s) Diesel. Last year he traded the '07-'08 Dodge in on a new 2012 RAM (Dodge) Dually with a really high CGVW to handle his 14,000 pound 5er. He says the new RAM is in another league beyond the 2007/08 Dodge, way more stable and significantly more power when towing.
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I had the the 2000 7.3 ps and it was amazing actually put over a 500k km on it or 300k miles would still be running it if the body hadnt rotted away all in changing then oil every 6000 miles I did do 3 transmissions E4OD. I decided to retire the truck in 2007 and buy the 6.0. What a mistake !! Long story short in 80,000 km I REPLACED 3 engines from catostrophic failure. The last one costing me a grand total of $23,000 dollars all because it was 29 days out of warranty after 4 months of fighting ford reimbursed me $20,000 with a warranty they reneged on the first time I had warranty issue. All because I missed one oil change at the dealership. Stay away buy a dodge!!!
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Thanks everyone for your suggestions. So no then to the 6.0 Fords. Easy enough, though they're everywhere here it seems.

I combed through the classifieds and found 3 1 ton duallies in my price range. One of them is a ford, but it's actually a 450? Anyway, I left it in because I'm curious what you all think.

2005 Dodge 1 Ton Dually Crew Cab Pickup
2003 Ford F450 XL C/C T8165.0
2001 Chevy Silverado LT 3500 Dually Crewcab 4x4

I can see that my price range is fairly limiting in this category. Given that, would I be better off looking at the 3/4 ton trucks? Ultimately what we want is flexability to choose a bigger 5th wheel later on, but that assumes the truck will last longer than a couple years. Are any of these worth considering, or should I go back to the 3/4 tons?
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If that F450 has any options and isn't a cab and chassis, it will hold its value the best out of the bunch
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Don't you just love listings with no pictures? Looks like it is just a cab and chassis. :(
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