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Old 08-05-2013, 08:54 AM   #1
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Which new one ton?

I have a 08 F350 SRW pulling a 15,000+ pound 42' toy hauler 5th wheel. Would
like to get a new DRW 3500 or even a F450. I see Dodge GCWR goes to 30,000 lb. while Ford and Chevy around 24,000 for the one ton. Would like a reliable truck for years to come also. Any insights in a new truck brand?
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Do you have a class A license? If not, i would just get the 3500 dually.
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:15 PM   #4
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In terms of engine reliability, Dodge is at the top with Ford at the bottom. Unfortunately, Dodge also has the least robust transmission. Since the tranny is usually the weakest link in the drive train, I chose to go with the most robust. I got the Chevy with the Allison transmission.

On the other hand, Ford seems to have the nicest interiors.

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Those numbers on tow ratings are a little confusing. I see the 350 dually has a 18,500 tow. I heard these ratings are going to be redone in a couple of years.
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In terms of engine reliability, Dodge is at the top with Ford at the bottom. Unfortunately, Dodge also has the least robust transmission.
That emphatically has not been the case since the demise of the 47/48RE 4 speed automatics on December 31, 2006. The 6-speed 68RFE and the Aisin 6-speed that were introduced with the 6.7L Cummins both have sterling reputations in heavy towing applications. The 2014 Ram 3500 DRW pickups are available with either of the 2 transmissions; selection of the Aisin also brings a horsepower and torque upgrade to 385/850. GCWRs are available up to 37,000 lbs.

Drive 'em all and take your choice.

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This'll be fun.
I like Ford. The new Ford motors are really great, with limited issues. Trucks are nice. The Ford TorqShift's are great. 5R110s proved their worth at high HP/TQ with stock internals, and so did the 6R140 on the Breaking Point from H&S where they tried to blow something up.
I think it would matter on what you like, how the dealer is, and how much you wanna spend.
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In terms of engine reliability, Dodge is at the top with Ford at the bottom. Unfortunately, Dodge also has the least robust transmission. Since the tranny is usually the weakest link in the drive train, I chose to go with the most robust. I got the Chevy with the Allison transmission.

On the other hand, Ford seems to have the nicest interiors.

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I don't know what information you are basing this opinion on? But with todays trucks, pick the one that you like the best. All 3 are great 1 ton DRW trucks.

Our 2012 F350 CC DRW has a GVWR of 13,300# and a GCWR of 30,000#. Ram has upped the ante and now has a GCWR or 37000#

With these trucks you need to check you local license requirements as Texas requires a Class A non-CDL for 26001# and up.

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Those numbers on tow ratings are a little confusing. I see the 350 dually has a 18,500 tow. I heard these ratings are going to be redone in a couple of years.
Nope, the 18,500 rating is to keep the licensing requirement down under 26,000lbs. The truck could probably do more, but they restrict the ratings to prevent people from needing a class A license to move their horses around and stuff like that. I haven't heard anything on the DOT moving the 26,000lbs class A requirement, so i doubt ford will change the rating.
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I read this ratings change I believe on the Chevy truck web site. Will try to dig this up and post the address
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Be careful of the "Tow Rating" in selecting a truck. You need to look at the GCWR and GVWR of the truck and actual laden curb weight for the truck.

Texas requires a class A non-CDL for a truck with a GCWR of 26001# and over and pulling a trailer with a GVWR over 10,000#.

My F350 CC DRW is rated 13,300# GVWR and 30,000# GCWR. The truck loaded and fueled is just over 9000# curb weight. The unladen truck is considerable less.

With these numbers,

Max pin weight is (=) 13,300 - 9000 or 4300#

Max trailer weight is (=) 30,000 - 9000 = 21000#

In the absence of a manufacturers GCWR, the state will use the GVWR of the truck and the GVWR of the trailer added together to determine the required license..
13300 plus 16550 (trailer GVWR) or 29850#.

As for the license process, at least in Texas, it is not too bad. Take a written test over one additional chapter and then a driving test in the rig. My wife even passed it easily.

Take care and have fun shopping.

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Be careful of the "Tow Rating" in selecting a truck. You need to look at the GCWR and GVWR of the truck and actual laden curb weight for the truck.

Texas requires a class A non-CDL for a truck with a GCWR of 26001# and over and pulling a trailer with a GVWR over 10,000#.

My F350 CC DRW is rated 13,300# GVWR and 30,000# GCWR. The truck loaded and fueled is just over 9000# curb weight. The unladen truck is considerable less.

With these numbers,

Max pin weight is (=) 13,300 - 9000 or 4300#

Max trailer weight is (=) 30,000 - 9000 = 21000#

In the absence of a manufacturers GCWR, the state will use the GVWR of the truck and the GVWR of the trailer added together to determine the required license..
13300 plus 16550 (trailer GVWR) or 29850#.

As for the license process, at least in Texas, it is not too bad. Take a written test over one additional chapter and then a driving test in the rig. My wife even passed it easily.

Take care and have fun shopping.

Ken

What about the blood alcohol level if you have a class A non-commercial? Class A commercial is .04 regardless if u drive ur personal vehicle.

And in some states like NY, unless you have an RV plate on your trailer, you are considered commercial if your GVWR is over 10klbs regardless of personal or not. Even if you are say buying a car on craigslist and hauling it home. Theres no under-license ticket either, they put you down as not having a license at all.

Here's someone who got royally screwed by Iowa DOT.
http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/76-...me-ticket.html
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Those numbers on tow ratings are a little confusing. I see the 350 dually has a 18,500 tow.

Thats for a bumper pull--2013 F350 dually has a 22,600 for SRW/22,200 for 4x4.
Payload is 6680 for the 350 DRW. Gross is either 13800 or 14000 for the 4x4.

The others are all in the ballpark or higher, I think.

You would have no problem with any of the current 3 mfg trucks.

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Buy the Chevy better drive train tow 22500/30500 and top of the line 3500 DRW LTZ less than 60k new with heated and cooled seats.
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