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Old 11-23-2012, 03:27 PM   #99
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If the original poster doesn't think he needs 4WD, then simply don't buy one. No need to argue endlessly whether or not it's "necessary"...

I would like to throw out one more thing; I don't know who "desertranger" is a "ranger" for, whether it's CA State Parks, or another agency. Can't tell by the uniform he's wearing in his photo. He makes several valid points, but in my experience of playing in the SoCal & Baja desert for decades, I just don't see tons of RV's & cars etc, getting towed out constantly. You do need to be careful, but the desert is a wonderful place to play and you're really not on the razor's edge of death all the time. It's actually very similar to boating in that regard.

I would encourage all to spend some time poking around our beautiful southwest deserts, they are one of the best features of our country.
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Old 11-24-2012, 12:28 AM   #100
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Old 11-24-2012, 07:56 AM   #101
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Pretty simple really...

I want a 4x4
I can justify the need for a 4x4 (even though I don't have to)
I can afford a 4x4
I bought a 4x4

A 4x4 can be handier than pockets on a pool table. I bought my first one when I was 22 and have not been without one for nearly 30 years.

Rereading the original post I get the impression that the guy is a little out of step with where the current market is today, and I also detect a little envy.

Looking for used trucks equipped like you want can be frustrating unless you're looking for a loaded out CC/4x4/diesel. I didn't get the truck I really wanted either as I had a hard time finding the engine/trans combo I preferred, but settled on something that was able to do the job and at a price I couldn't pass up.
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Old 11-24-2012, 10:27 AM   #102
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If the original poster doesn't think he needs 4WD, then simply don't buy one. No need to argue endlessly whether or not it's "necessary"...

I would like to throw out one more thing; I don't know who "desertranger" is a "ranger" for, whether it's CA State Parks, or another agency. Can't tell by the uniform he's wearing in his photo. He makes several valid points, but in my experience of playing in the SoCal & Baja desert for decades, I just don't see tons of RV's & cars etc, getting towed out constantly. You do need to be careful, but the desert is a wonderful place to play and you're really not on the razor's edge of death all the time. It's actually very similar to boating in that regard.

I would encourage all to spend some time poking around our beautiful southwest deserts, they are one of the best features of our country.
I love some of the user names here.

In response to your curiosity. I was a Tribal-ranger for the Agua Caliente Band of Chauilla <kah-we-yah> Indians in Plam Springs CA. If any of you have ever been there I was also a lead guide for Desert Adventures and a senior guide for Oars. Also had my own company in the hi-desert for many years and wrote a regular column on the desert for Sunrunner Magazine for 10 years.

Automobile your right, I don't see or pull tons of cars being out of the desert unless I'm in a place like Glamis or El Mirage Dry Lake where there are sand bunnies playing all over the place. No we are not on the razors of edge of death when playing out there unless you climb rock or such. However it doesn't take much to wind up that way. On an average year from June to Sept I personally yank about half a dozen people out of the desert each year in the Joshua Tree National Park, Death Valley and the Mojave Preserve areas. That's my play ground. Usually they get stuck but occasionally they break down. I see cars going up the Kelbaker Road taking the short cut to Vegas sitting on the side of the road because they didn't service their cars properly. People have died trying to walk to a call box on Kelbaker road in mid-summer. I run into hikers, some of whom have taken my class twice and who still do not have water on the trail when I run into them. Why are they paying large sums of money for an outdoors class then not carrying water?

I totally encourage everyone to go play in the desert. Go find the site Mojave Phone Booth or the Plank Road. Otto-mo-bill says he's played in the Baja for decades. He has the experience to avoid trouble. Most of the people I yank out of the desert do not. From a broken down Bronco in Berdoo Canyon to a very cute blonde who walked out of the desert into a construction yard miles from the nearest road it does happen and it happens with astonishing and increasingly more frequency.

Auto we play in different areas, under different circumstances. People have to be rescued in the desert every week. I've been doing it for 20 years. In those 20 years I find that most people who die out there do so from simple mistakes. Number 1 being no water. I've written about it for years. However you play out there the desert is a place to be careful.

Now, I would like to know Automobile, how many times have you been stuck in the desert in those decades. Probably enough times to know how to avoid it and to know how to get out. It's also probably been a very long time since you have gotten stuck.

As for why a 4x4? You don't need a reason to buy one. You want it? Buy it? You don't need to justify what you do except perhaps to your significant other. Like they say on TV, "You want it? Go for it."
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Addendum to my previous post made yesterday morning. Last nights news reported 6 rescues off of Superstition Mountain, 2 from Camelback Mtn and my friend Mike was telling me about the guy he pulled our of the Rio Salado river bed yesterday.

Auto, we are both wrong there are lots of people needing rescue everyday in the desert.
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I'd put those recent rescues into the mountain class rather than desert. True, Superstition and Camelback are situated in the desert, Superstition is out the back door of our winter RV park in Gold Canyon and CB just off downtown Scottsdale. But the two injuries on CB were falls, the most common cause of injury on mountains. Don't know about the Superstition rescues, but falls are common there, too. It causes problems related to desert, also, with people not packing in enough water for the day.

I don't know how to classify the lady who saw a rattler, jumped, and came down on loose ground causing an injurious slide! Desert? Mountain?
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:50 PM   #105
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I'm sure those folks wouldn't have needed rescue if they'd had four wheel drive vehicles when they saw a rattler/fell off a mountain/ran out of water...
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I was a bit under the weather yesterday I spent the day in bed watching TV. Remember the Viagra ad where the driver unloads his draft horses to get out of a fairly small mud hole? After watching the ad for around a million times I was able to confirm that there was a front differential under the truck, I.e it is a 4x4, but the driver didn't use it. Since my HOA doesn't allow Clydesdales, I will stick with my 4x4.
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I was a bit under the weather yesterday I spent the day in bed watching TV. Remember the Viagra ad where the driver unloads his draft horses to get out of a fairly small mud hole? After watching the ad for around a million times I was able to confirm that there was a front differential under the truck, I.e it is a 4x4, but the driver didn't use it. Since my HOA doesn't allow Clydesdales, I will stick with my 4x4.
That has to be one of the stupidest ads every, I recently saw it and it had been re-edited and the front diff' was no longer visible, the locking hubs were however.

Don't have an HOA (thank deity of choice) and do have horses but never have them with us when I need 4wd so all 4 vehicles that see winter service or remote camping have 4wd.
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That has to be one of the stupidest ads every, I recently saw it and it had been re-edited and the front diff' was no longer visible, the locking hubs were however.

Don't have an HOA (thank deity of choice) and do have horses but never have them with us when I need 4wd so all 4 vehicles that see winter service or remote camping have 4wd.
The front diff is only visible near the end after the rig is driving is driving away from the mud. It is a front-on shot.
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The only time i have needed 4wd is to get out of a place i didn't really need to be at. I tow with a 2wd drw and when winter comes, i winterize and wait till spring.
That being said, if the f350 crew i found had 4wd, i'd be towing with 4x4. It didn't, so i'm not.

I like the movie 'the survivors' starring robin williams and walter matthau. My favorite scene is watching matthau showing the young williams how to drive a rwd sedan in ice/snow.
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For me it is easy. I have a 4x4 because mine comes from the factory ready for "flat Towing," The 4x2 does not....
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The front diff is only visible near the end after the rig is driving is driving away from the mud. It is a front-on shot.
Yep, that's the shot they edited, only visible from the grill up in the spot I saw.
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