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Old 11-25-2012, 10:05 PM   #113
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I love some of the user names here.

In response to your curiosity. I was a Tribal-ranger for the Agua Caliente Band of Chauilla <kah-we-yah> Indians in Plam Springs CA. If any of you have ever been there I was also a lead guide for Desert Adventures and a senior guide for Oars. Also had my own company in the hi-desert for many years and wrote a regular column on the desert for Sunrunner Magazine for 10 years.


As for why a 4x4? You don't need a reason to buy one. You want it? Buy it? You don't need to justify what you do except perhaps to your significant other. Like they say on TV, "You want it? Go for it."


Good stuff, Ranger. You sound like the real deal. Fortunately, we've never needed to be towed out. That's because I carry a shovel and teenage sons to dig! Sure enough, there are plenty of folks who think their "all wheel drive" Explorer, Lexus, whatever, is invincible. Thanks for trying to educate. The desert is a beautiful, uniquely "western" treasure of this country. If you haven't been there, you just can't get it. But as the Ranger indicates: BE PREPARED...
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:42 PM   #114
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Wow the desert sounds like a Midwestern blizzard or a west coast earthquake a east coast hurricane. As I stated earlier common sense and you don't need 4 wheel drive. Blizzard stay home earthquake well plan. Hurricane plan move to safety. Desert if its that life threatening stay out.
Some people use extremes sports etc. most folk aren't looking for that. I'm looking forward to 55 mph see this big beautiful country. Meet folks visit learn respect each other and Mother Nature.
Enjoy life be careful.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:24 AM   #115
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Interesting 115 posts and so far no one has mentioned the need to air your tires down when traveling in sand. I watch folks at the dunes all the time stuck because they thought their 4x4 could get them anywhere as-is. Even though there is a sign at the entrance recommending to air your tires down to no more than 16 psi. With my oversize tires, I usually air down to 8 psi. Those last few pounds can make a real difference.

And interesting that this morphed to an ad for Viagra. I guess I would like to think that the guy's 4x4 was only a 4x2 due to one of about a dozen reasons your front wheel drive is busted.
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:11 AM   #116
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I predict this thread will go on forever until closed by the mods

just like gas versus diesel
regular versus premium,
or the "which oil is best"....
etc... etc...

and I'll bump it....

lost a drive shaft once, and was able to creep home with just front wheels pulling and the drive shaft held up by bailing wire !!!
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Interesting 115 posts and so far no one has mentioned the need to air your tires down when traveling in sand. I watch folks at the dunes all the time stuck because they thought their 4x4 could get them anywhere as-is. Even though there is a sign at the entrance recommending to air your tires down to no more than 16 psi. With my oversize tires, I usually air down to 8 psi. Those last few pounds can make a real difference.

And interesting that this morphed to an ad for Viagra. I guess I would like to think that the guy's 4x4 was only a 4x2 due to one of about a dozen reasons your front wheel drive is busted.

Because CJ we've been talking about buying a 4x4, not how to drive a 4x4.


Airing down tires, carrying the proper tools like ropes, shovels, axes, hi-lift and other implements of destruction and self rescue along with teenagers to use them are all in the book.

Tell ye what. I'm on the road today but I'll start a thread one playing in the desert when I get home tonight. Then we can post 115 messages on the trials and tribulations of playing in the desert. Tell ya some interesting and true stories as well.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:00 PM   #118
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When I looked at used trucks last year all the regular cab trucks were for sale from car dealers and not private parties. I can guarantee you that they were all work trucks that were very heavily used, roughly driven, and not likely to have been properly maintained. I would not trust one of these trucks for extended use out of town and on the open road.

When a car gets stuck while at the beach or up in the mountains it is no where near as big a deal as when you have a truck that has a trailer in tow. Good luck getting a tow truck in position and being able to winch the truck and the trailer to solid ground.

Backing up is also often less preferable to continuing forward and with 4WD this is likely to be a more viable option. On dirt roads 4WD and Low Range can make for a much more pleasurable ride for you and your passengers and do less damage to the trailer and its contents. I was on the worst washboard roads I have ever experience in October in Nevada and it was from the hunters pulling up their large trailers with their 2WD trucks. The ridges were 4" high.
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I'm thinking about buying a F-350 Dual wheel Pick-up Truck but have been having a big problem finding a used truck with only regular cab, no 4x4, gas engine. I don't know why everybody wants a 4X4 on highway. When I pull my future 5th wheel Camper I would think I will have plenty of traction.


Thanks, Bob

Another thought: Why would anyone "need" an RV? Guess it is because they want one....
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On dirt roads 4WD and Low Range can make for a much more pleasurable ride for you and your passengers and do less damage to the trailer and its contents.
Low Range?
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Yes. the 4X4 transfer case has high and low range.
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Yes. the 4X4 transfer case has high and low range.
Yes, I have three of them. But I live on a bad mountain road that is often difficult to traverse in winter. I have hauled different types of trailers up and down this road, which has an approx. 1000' elevation gain in a tad over four miles, two 11% grades, and I have yet to need low range. I do use LR for other reasons, but rarely.

Unfortunately, I am very familiar with washboard roads, but haven't found LR necessary to hold down speed when descending. I'm not questioning your use at all, but am wondering when you would be using LR on a dirt road.
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I'm sure those folks wouldn't have needed rescue if they'd had four wheel drive vehicles when they saw a rattler/fell off a mountain/ran out of water...
You can't get a 4x into those mountains in most places.





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When I looked at used trucks last year all the regular cab trucks were for sale from car dealers and not private parties. I can guarantee you that they were all work trucks that were very heavily used, roughly driven, and not likely to have been properly maintained. I would not trust one of these trucks for extended use out of town and on the open road.

When a car gets stuck while at the beach or up in the mountains it is no where near as big a deal as when you have a truck that has a trailer in tow. Good luck getting a tow truck in position and being able to winch the truck and the trailer to solid ground.

Backing up is also often less preferable to continuing forward and with 4WD this is likely to be a more viable option. On dirt roads 4WD and Low Range can make for a much more pleasurable ride for you and your passengers and do less damage to the trailer and its contents. I was on the worst washboard roads I have ever experience in October in Nevada and it was from the hunters pulling up their large trailers with their 2WD trucks. The ridges were 4" high.
That isn't washboard, sounds more like whoop-de-doos.

For some people the word desert brings visions of vast expanses of sand with nothing to see.

Desert: Any place that receives less than 10" of precipitation per year. The lowest deserts in the world are below sea level in the mid east and in Calif. The highest desert in thew world is the Atacama in Peru at over 12,000 ft. Most of Antarctica is desert. Desert can be hot or cold as well/

Both Camelback and Superstition mountains are desert mountains. They receive less than the 10" of rain annualy. That makes them desert.
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Then DFW must be a desert kidding - we get inundated with about 20 inches a year usually in only two rain events though

I use low range just about anytime I move the 5er in anything that's not wide open...
just easier to control the throttle response, etc... (and also, it's good to use it periodically anyway )

I also got into the habit of turning the front hub about once a month cuz a front hub froze up a while back.... probably not necessary... but I do it...
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All I know is I am trying to help a friend to sell his perfect well kept RWD 2004 F350 and all interested partie walk away due to not being 4 x 4. Going on 2 years and the selling price has gone down by 7k and no driving. I would buy it right now but I need a 4 x 4 also.
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All I know is I am trying to help a friend to sell his perfect well kept RWD 2004 F350 and all interested partie walk away due to not being 4 x 4. Going on 2 years and the selling price has gone down by 7k and no driving. I would buy it right now but I need a 4 x 4 also.

I have an idea. Take it into a differential shop and have a set of air lockers installed. That should make it easier to sell.
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