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Old 08-24-2005, 10:26 PM   #29
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Before I call the BLM, I probably should have some exact dates
to reserve us a group spot. I believe they will be putting us in a
"dispersed camping" area, so there should be no fee.

Of course, we'll need to have a location that we'll be able to ride out
from..... hopefully connected to lots of trails.

Would it be best If we reserved a camping area from Monday, April 24th
to Friday April 28th?
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Old 08-24-2005, 10:46 PM   #30
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I don't know about most but I should be in there Sat and leave probably Thursday evening or Friday morning. Thinking I need to go to a RV park and dump tanks before leaving for Albq.

That would make it arriving the 22nd and leaving the 27th or 28th, at least on my schedule. Can't speak for the bunch but I think if we plan for Sat through Friday we should be covered unless you have a better idea.

OK.

And, make sure we know where we can get water. I plan on bringing a 50 gal tank that can fill our tanks from the truck. I know I'll need more than 120. Also ask if they know where we can fill on the way in through town.

Thanks, we really appreciate your help here.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vette Racer:
Howie

That would make it arriving the 22nd and leaving the 27th or 28th, at least on my schedule. Can't speak for the bunch but I think if we plan for Sat through Friday we should be covered unless you have a better idea.

OK.

And, make sure we know where we can get water. I plan on bringing a 50 gal tank that can fill our tanks from the truck. I know I'll need more than 120. Also ask if they know where we can fill on the way in through town.

Thanks, we really appreciate your help here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like a plan.....

Lets plan on getting a reserved spot from Saturday, April 22nd till Friday April 28th.
That will give us all some wiggle room.

I'll find out about topping off the rigs with water
before we hit the campground.
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Mornin folks! Was cruising around Moab sites and thought this slide show might tweak some interest. Looks great!

http://www.moab-utah.com/photo/index.html
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Old 08-25-2005, 02:58 PM   #35
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I had previously written:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Posted June 16, 2005 09:24 AM
I've got good news......
First of all, our government BLM folks are on the ball. At 6:30 AM, we got a wake up call from the Moab ranger.
Here's the deal. If we can select the dates that we want to go and how many rigs are
going, they will find us a spot for our group. Once we figure know the date and group size,
we'll need to call back and ask for a BLM "Recreation planner" and they'll work with us.
In order for us to be able to ride out of any camp on BLM property, we'll need to be at
least 16 miles outside of town.
Just in case I fall off the face of the planet..... I spoke with Fred at the BLM Moab
Field Office 82 East Dogwood Moab, Utah 84532 Phone: (435) 259-2100
He had a couple of suggestions for us:
1. Gemini Bridges
2. Gold Bar Camp
3. Ken's Lake
4. Seven Mile Canyon
5. Horse Thief Camp (Under construction)
This year they had a group of 40 big rigs that were traveling together. The BLM made
arrangements for them to group camp in an special area, which is normally off limits. He
said this was an exception to the rules, but they made it work. It's nice to see they can be
flexible. This would be called "dispersed camping", but again, we'll need to get some kind
of authorization from the BLM to do it as a group.
It would be really helpful if we could get a Moab local or someone who really knows the
area to chime in and offer some suggestions for the best location.
Should we post this gathering on the other toyhauler forum and grow the group? Maybe
someone over there has some good info.......... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I have some bad news.......

I spoke with the head ranger at the BLM office in Moab. Things have radically
changed with regards to their camping permits. There is no more dispersed
camping within 20 miles of Moab, so I asked about group camping at dispersed
sites outside of that limitation. He stated that our timing could not have been
worse..... they expect traffic jams in the Moab area during that time of year and
dispersed camping, even 20 miles out they expect be full based on this year's
visitation. Apparently, with the increase of OHV as well as the popularity of Moab.....
they are dealing with too many people completing for the off road adventure.
There is no reservation system for us to use other than the group campsite that
would they would recommend , that being Gold Bar
http://www.blm.gov/utah/moab/gbg.html
The only problem with that is we will not be able to ride out of that site unless
you are street legal as well as there is a $60 minimum charge/day. Also, they don't take
reservations until January 2006

I called King Salami to vent.......... maybe we need to look for another gathering
spot?

I wonder if this guy is a mountain bike fella?
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Well thats a shame. I would not have thought crowds would be a problem in April. But Utah is a big place maybe we can find somewhere else.

In the mean time my I suggest a look here: http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/siuslaw/recreation/tripplanning.../driftwood-ohv.shtml
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We need to keep it towards Utah area cg's so our friends from the east can join us. Tom, do you know of any places around southeast Utah or New Mexico or Arizona that will work if Moab is ruled out? Howie, how about the place you visited a few months ago in Arizona around the South Rim?

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Clark:

I believe Howie was on the North Rim...Howie? Those pics of your last trip are pretty darn inviting!!
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Clark,

Where we go in the West during April is going to be
greatly influenced by the elevation.

We rode in the Coconino National Forest near Flagstaff a couple of
months ago. The North Rim (Kaibab National Forest) will also be pretty cold.

Here are some examples of average temps/elevations in April:

Flagstaff, Arizona
Elevation 7000 feet
April
Average Hi 58.0? F
Average Low 27.0? F

Moab, Utah
Elevation 4000 feet
April
Average Hi 73.0? F
Average Low 42.0? F

Rasor Road, California (Near Baker, CA)
Elevation 900 feet
April
Average Hi 83.0? F
Average Low 53.0? F

Marysvale, Utah
Elevation 5800 feet
April
Average Hi 63.0? F
Average Low 31.0? F

Mammoth Lakes, CA
Elevation 7900 feet
April
Average Hi 58.0? F
Average Low 31.0? F
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Are locked into April- how bout May?
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWFan:
Are locked into April- how bout May? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here are the temps for May:

Flagstaff, Arizona
Elevation 7000 feet
Average Hi 68.0? F
Average Low 34.0? F

Moab, Utah
Elevation 4000 feet
Average Hi 84.0? F
Average Low 50.0? F

Rasor Road, California (Near Baker, CA)
Elevation 900 feet
Average Hi 92.0? F
Average Low 61.0? F

Marysvale, Utah
Elevation 5800 feet
Average Hi 72.0? F
Average Low 39.0? F

Mammoth Lakes, CA
Elevation 7900 feet
Average Hi 66.0? F
Average Low 39.0? F

Also, it looks like if we can find a large, flat dispersed
camp site on BLM property 20 miles out of
Moab, we'll be OK. I don't think the BLM is gonna
help us find it.
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Hummmm....alot better for Moab!! Hey everyone...is May better?

Thanks Howie! That's quite the weathercaster you got there!! (Do you guarantee it?! ).
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