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Old 01-17-2007, 08:26 PM   #15
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I bought the same trailer last year and had almost the same truck. After a couple of 1000 mile trips towing the All American with my 99 F350 SRW I decided it was too scary.
I went with a 2006 F350 DRW Towboss which doesn't seem to pull the load a lot better power-wise but it is much more stable, way more stable.
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Old 01-18-2007, 07:12 AM   #16
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IranTan, I heard that the difference in the towing capacity between the single and dull rear axle was not that great. Is this true? I have the single and "D" load tire rated for 3200 lbs each and have never had a second thought about the weight. I dont think I would have a good time in a slalom course, but it seems to do alright going down the road. I have heard the dull axles are not wreath the cost. That doesn't seem right. Any thoughts?

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Old 01-18-2007, 07:30 AM   #17
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If two trucks have the same GCWR, it's common for the DRW truck to have a lower "manufacturer's trailer tow rating" than the SRW truck. That's because the trailer tow rating is calculated by subtracting the truck's curb weight from the truck's GCWR, and the SRW truck has a lower curb weight.

The problem is that, buried in the manufacturer's footnotes is a statement like "None of the truck's other ratings are to be exceeded." This includes GVWR and GAWRs. If one is towing a 5th wheel which puts up to 20% or more of the total trailer weight on the truck as pin weight, the SRW truck will invariably run out of GAWR or GVWR before it approaches the "manufacturer's trailer tow rating". Since the dually has a higher GVWR and higher rear axle GAWR, in the real world it can pull a heavier trailer than a SRW truck without exceeding any of the truck's ratings (i.e., GCWR, GVWR or GAWRs).

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Old 01-18-2007, 09:47 AM   #18
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Rusty:

Thanks much for pointing that out- this is one of the MOST IMPORTANT facts that usually gets left out of the discussion- GAWR's. It's also very difficult to figure out if you're within the limits without weighing your 5vr, which is why many have said and I continue to say you've just GOTTA weight the trailer to see where you're at weight-wise. I've weighed mine 4 times now- it's golden information as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 01-18-2007, 02:07 PM   #19
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****, I hate these threads. Only because the truth hurts sometimes.
I admit I'm a student of "Linc". And most of the time I hate it
I ran the TV I have now down to the local CAT scale all fueled up and ready to hook "Something" up to it. I know what I have to work with, and I also know I'm going to be over PW on any of the toyhaulers I'm looking at, **** as much as maybe 1000lbs, but I'll be under GCWR by 2K +/-, if that help's.
Any of these newer TH's are heavy son's-a-*****'s....Ooop's can I say that??.

Anyhow,.........Am I going to settle for a smaller TH, "NOPE" I'm not, I'll drive the rig I get with respect and wait tell the end of the year and look into a new truck. I don't want to put myself, my DW or anybody else at risk because of it. But I also think if a guy use's his head and doesn't go grossly over the max combo weight of these newer trucks it can be done, and done safely.
FWIW, My plan for a new toyhauler is a max rolling trailer weight of 14K and a PW some where around 3200K, with what my hobby is that won't vary at all.

So I'm slipping on my bullet proof vest now, take the shot Linc
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So with the GVWR of 9900-7000est truck wt I could have pin weight of ~2900 and two 13,000.
If I stayed close to these numbers it would be safe? I assume stopping will be good with the trailer brakes.
Tell me more about stability. Is the wind the biggest factor with the heights of these things?

I was thinking about doing the same thing. Buying the RV I want now (if I can at least get it around) and buy the beast to pull it later. Probably after my first scare??
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Rusty is right on. Truck and RV sales people do not bother to read or understand the tow ratings. It is some what out of ignorance and a lot out of fear of loosing a sale.

I have been with my brother that has a Dodge Cummins 2500 (3/4 ton) and have heard the dealers tell him "Man with that beast you can pull anything we have on the lot!" He just looks at them, laughs and gets back in his truck.

AS long as you are under on GVWR and GAWR you can pull a 5er with a 3/4 ton truck and be within ratings. It is strictly up to the driver if he wants to tow over ratings, but he should at least weigh the rig and know where he is on weight. With my rig, I am fine on GVWR and a bit over on GCWR. The dually handles the pin weight without a problem and is very stable.

My 2002 F350 Crew Cab Dually diesel (2 wheel drive)tips the scales right under 8000#. With my GVWR or 11,500# I can take 3500# in the bed of the truck. I would not attempt to pull my trailer with a SRW.

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this is making my head hurt. The 2002 is got another 2-3 years, then I might have to upgrade. No matter what I will most likly get a dully this next time. Better safe than sorry.

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Don't forget, in Texas you are required to have a Class B driver license to pull a trailer heavier than 10,000. So, be sure to go to DPS and update your license.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TexasPSDX:
Don't forget, in Texas you are required to have a Class B driver license to pull a trailer heavier than 10,000. So, be sure to go to DPS and update your license. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
From the Texas Transportation Code:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">SUBCHAPTER D. CLASSIFICATION OF DRIVER'S LICENSES


521.081. CLASS A LICENSE. A Class A driver's license authorizes the holder of the license to operate:

(1) a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more; or

(2) a combination of vehicles that has a gross combination weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more, if the gross vehicle weight rating of any vehicle or vehicles in tow is more than 10,000 pounds.

Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.


521.082. CLASS B LICENSE.

(a) A Class B driver's license authorizes the holder of the license to operate:

(1) a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating that is more than 26,000 pounds;

(2) a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,000 pounds or more towing:

(A) a vehicle, other than a farm trailer, with a gross vehicle weight rating that is not more than 10,000 pounds; or

(B) a farm trailer with a gross vehicle weight rating that is not more than 20,000 pounds; and

(3) a bus with a seating capacity of 24 passengers or more.

(b) For the purposes of Subsection (a)(3), seating capacity is computed in accordance with Section 502.162, except that the operator's seat is included in the computation.

Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.


521.083. CLASS C LICENSE. A Class C driver's license authorizes the holder of the license to operate:

(1) a vehicle or combination of vehicles not described by Section 521.081 or 521.082; and

(2) a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of less than 26,001 pounds towing a farm trailer with a gross vehicle weight rating that is not more than 20,000 pounds.

Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.


521.084. CLASS M LICENSE. A Class M driver's license authorizes the holder of the license to operate a motorcycle or moped.

Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, where does the Class B requirement for a trailer &gt; 10K come in?

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thanks rusty
i was just about to flip out again
i have been hit with "welcome back to texas fees" since oct....
is it summer yet
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I'm still glad I'm in Ok, at least for the moment. My class C is good to go!
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Tom,

A Class C is good in Texas as well until you get over the magic 26,001 lbs GCWR (ref. 521.081(2) and 521.082(2)(A)).

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