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Old 08-15-2005, 08:56 PM   #15
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Mike:

Really good idea...you know, I carry a bunch of those VW filters that could come in pretty handy, but it would be a great idea to put the fuel filter change on the calendar. And Griz...been there- did that...ain't a purdy pic. You're right one there buddy!

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Old 08-15-2005, 09:07 PM   #16
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Sean, I've heard of this before. There were two explainations. The fuel hose is supposed to have some kind of coating in it that makes the fuel look orange for the first couple of gallons. The second was they are cheap tanks that are not coated inside. Could have been pressure tested in a water tank leaving moisture inside causing surface rust. I use a product called sta-bil and keep the tank full.

You bring up a valid point. I think I would sacrfice 5 gallons, drive round the block, then block the trailer to flow any sediment towards the fuel pickup and discard.

As stated I like to keep the tank full so no condensation takes place. I also run the gen and a/c once a month to keep things in shape.

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Old 08-15-2005, 09:13 PM   #17
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Very good point Big Buford. Thats the problem with an all steel tank. I think your right, full is better and then just use the sta-bil and don't let it stay too long.

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Old 08-15-2005, 09:15 PM   #18
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Big buford:
Sean, I've heard of this before. There were two explainations. The fuel hose is supposed to have some kind of coating in it that makes the fuel look orange for the first couple of gallons. The second was they are cheap tanks that are not coated inside. Could have been pressure tested in a water tank leaving moisture inside causing surface rust. I use a product called sta-bil and keep the tank full.

You bring up a valid point. I think I would sacrfice 5 gallons, drive round the block, then block the trailer to flow any sediment towards the fuel pickup and discard.

As stated I like to keep the tank full so no condensation takes place. I also run the gen and a/c once a month to keep things in shape.

My 2 pennies BB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good stuff there Mark...and I really try to keep the tank full to keep down the codensation...good idea. Probably the biggest reason I do is I know I'll use it, but being in earthquake country, it's like storing water.

Sta-bil...a general product you can find anywhere? And the idea of running the genset is a great one- so much, in fact, that Onan will tell ya if they find varnish in your carb, they'll void your warranty!

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Old 08-15-2005, 10:13 PM   #19
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....if residue looks like snot it is styrofoam cup stuff....melts and leaves a golb in bottom....use two filters in a row a 25 micron spin on type and a 3-5 micron for a final filter also......keep pick up off bottom of tank and use a wire sock that you can take out easily....locking cap is good also....aLONG WITH STA-BIL geofkaye
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I used the Sta-bil from the get-go.
During my PDI the dealer rep told me to use the Sta-bil and run the Onan for a short period of time every week or two. He said if the needle valves in the Onan carb get gunked up from lack of use there is no carburetor kit to fix the problem, you have to replace the carburetor which ain't a cheap prospect.
I like y'alls idea of keeping the tank full to cut down on condensation, I will start filling it after each trip instead of before each trip and continue to use the Sta-bil.
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Old 08-16-2005, 05:36 AM   #21
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yes all these tanks are really bad,
i can't tell ya how many of these i have had customers bring in and they tried to use and they were just nasty,

most guys would just pull em, flush em, clean it out and go without question.

but most people these days dont understand or think obout it untill they get out and then they find out the hard way .

and then to top it off , if your using pump gas in the thing , in az here it wont last 2 months without "stable" in it ,

now race fuel will last 6 times longer at least.

i like to have a seperate station for the gen and the normal pump junk vehicles you might have .

and then a second system for race fuel.

most rigs do have two stations now , and or can be ordered with them for this reason,

but when new you need to flush all the rust, crud and stale fuel out of them before you use them

its just one of those many "must do " things on these units !

kinda like getting a vinel awning,---and without the aluminum gard on it,
in az you wont get two summers on it untill it fails ,

you need the acrylic fabric with the guard on it.

or kinda like the 50 amp service with 2 reffers ,

you gotta have that,

i cant tell ya all the 30 amp units with 1 reffer on it,

i get so many people that buy these and in az there is no way the thing will work ,

you can have a 30' rig and can't cool it off

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Old 08-16-2005, 06:59 AM   #22
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Had the same problem when I picked mine up except, I made the dealer go down and fill the tank with fuel and test the generator on it before I left. They normally just put a hose from a small tank on the gen to test it. That way they don't have to fill the tank. Mine had a bunch of junk in it that caused the generator not to start. They ended up having to run almost 5 gal of gas out into a bucket before getting clean fuel. Believe it was coating from the hose, not junk in the tank, turned the fuel orange. The filter on the Onan caught it all and it is the type that you can take it off and clean it out and reinstall so that helps.

As for leaving fuel in the tank, I usually fill mine up in New Mexico every year in late July and use off it until the next trip out there unless I go to a race track or somewhere that I have to run the generator a lot. Mostly use it for lawn mower gas but like to keep enough in there through the winter in case of power outage, That way I can move to my "second" home.

It is a good idea to run the generator an hr a month, WITH a load. Reminds me, gotta buy a filter and change the oil in that sucker.
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Old 08-16-2005, 07:41 AM   #23
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First fill up with my fuel station yielded a plugged carb and water in the tank of all my bikes and the generator.

I went to Napa and bought an in-line fuel filter that goes just before the nozzle. I forget the part number, like #2002, #2332, or something like that. Basically it is a long black tube about 8 inches in length, Napa brand, with threads at both ends, even comes with gasoline-proof thread sealant for the connections.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> [re: gastanks] ... but when new you need to flush all the rust, crud and stale fuel out of them before you use them

its just one of those many "must do " things on these units !

kinda like getting a vinel awning,---and without the aluminum gard on it,
in az you wont get two summers on it untill it fails , </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

we have a wealth of experience between folk here.
Probably could make a better After-Purchase-Checklist of important things to do, then the value we get out of some of the Pre-Purchase-PDI's.
Sounds like a tank flush before use, running conduit or hose to protect power lines, and running the same to protect the propane hoses, ....
... its seeming these are as important, or more important then checking to see if the 'visuals' are fancy.
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I just ran my fuel station for the first time and the fuel was clean...........maybe the dealer flushed it during the initial PDI or I just got lucky.
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I had this problem in my last TH with the fuel station. I boiled it down to the fuel around the pump and in the hose. So before the fuel went into my bike I let in run onto the groung in the dirt until the brown color was out of the fuel. Every once and a while I would forget and put it right into my bike but I never had a problem even with that. I dont think there was enough contaminated fuel to effect the rest of the fuel.

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I buy that Sta-Bil at WalMart...mucho-el-cheapo!
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Took the TH to fill the tanks today. Gen tank took 13 Gal.....Hmmmm thats funny....If it's a 20 Gal tank why did the Gen quit during PDI.....and the PDI specialist said we run out of gas and had to plug in for the rest of PDI....Hmmmm Me thinks its time to investigate that Gen Fuel filter in the morning.

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