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Old 08-02-2015, 05:36 PM   #1
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Can I pull it?

Hello everyone...wife and i are looking into getting a TT (haven't bought yet). I was hoping i could give yall (the experts) some basic info and see if I'm in good range to tow. Here it goes:
Tow vehicle-2012 expedition Max tow-9200
GVWR of expedition- 7300
front axel gawr-3300
rear gawr-4250
curb weight of expy- 5549
weight of family-815 (me/wife 5kids)
weight of gear/food-850
max tounge weight of class 4 hitch- 920
GVWR of possible TT-7567
The salesman said, "Oh yea, you will be fine." However trusting salesman is a weakness of mine, I just nodded and said ok, sounds good!!
Thanks in advance, looking to learn a lot here. Please let me know if I should provide more info
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Old 08-02-2015, 05:45 PM   #2
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What is the GCVW of the Expedition not the GVWR? The G(combined)VW will tell you if you can do it also.

According to your figures TT7567+850+815=9232, more than you Max tow capacity of 9200. Also, you would need a 10000 lb hitch rating to pull the TT. Also you need to ensure the expedition has the towing package, extra leaf springs on the back, high capacity oil/trany cooler, etc.

Sounds like the salesman wanted to sell a TT without giving you all the facts.
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Old 08-02-2015, 05:57 PM   #3
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What is the GCVW of the Expedition not the GVWR? The G(combined)VW will tell you if you can do it also.

According to your figures TT7567+850+815=9232, more than you Max tow capacity of 9200. Also, you would need a 10000 lb hitch rating to pull the TT. Also you need to ensure the expedition has the towing package, extra leaf springs on the back, high capacity oil/trany cooler, etc.

Sounds like the salesman wanted to sell a TT without giving you all the facts.
okie, i believe it's 15000
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Old 08-03-2015, 06:53 AM   #4
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Nick,
What is the payload capacity of your Expedition? Should be around 1,751lbs (GVWR - Curb weight)

Payload will be your #1 limiting factor. If you and the family are 850lbs and the hitch weight (wet) comes to close to 1,000lbs, your payload needs to be at LEAST 1,850lbs. You will also likely exceed the rear axle load. Hitch equipment ads another 100lbs.
And that's not counting fuel and gear packed in/on the car.
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after researching some terminollogy, and looking at a different trailer, here are some numbers to evaluate:
2012 expy max tow- 9200
dry weight of trailor- 4880
gvwr of trailer- 7558
dry hitch weight- 558
expy has a tow package hitch (class 4)
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length of trailer 29 ft
other factors- weight of family- 765
weight of cargo 750ish
Even reducing the 9200 by 15% for a safety buffer, it seems as though we have enough to pull it...am I missing something? Thanks
**HOWEVER,,,just got off phone with service dept and expedition does not have the high capacity pwersteering/tranny system, heavy duty oil system, no extra leaf spring on back...it just has a fancy hitch. Service adviser recommended towing no more than a pop for this vehicle. That changes things
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:18 PM   #6
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well at least you found a honest man
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Old 08-04-2015, 06:18 PM   #7
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Usually the question is not "can I tow it" the question is "can I safely tow AND stop it"
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With the figures you've given you're about 500# over the GVWR of the Expedition. What makes up the 850# of food and gear? Some if not all of that, would have to go in the trailer. What is the GCWR of the Expedition ?
Just found some specs-
As you can see from http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/general/pdf/towingguides/12FLRVTT_ExpeditionJul21.pdf
what your truck is rated for depends on how it is equipped, such as which rear end does it have, is it 4 wheel drive or 2 wheel drive, is it the standard length or longer version ? You can see the GCWRs run from 11,800-15,000#. Your truck is going to be maxed out on the GVWR, which will cut down on how much weight it is rated to tow without exceeding the GCWR.
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Usually the question is not "can I tow it" the question is "can I safely tow AND stop it"
My thoughts exactly. And I've had a few panic stops.
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after researching some terminollogy, and looking at a different trailer, here are some numbers to evaluate:
2012 expy max tow- 9200
dry weight of trailor- 4880
gvwr of trailer- 7558
dry hitch weight- 558
expy has a tow package hitch (class 4)
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length of trailer 29 ft
other factors- weight of family- 765
weight of cargo 750ish
Even reducing the 9200 by 15% for a safety buffer, it seems as though we have enough to pull it...am I missing something? Thanks
**HOWEVER,,,just got off phone with service dept and expedition does not have the high capacity pwersteering/tranny system, heavy duty oil system, no extra leaf spring on back...it just has a fancy hitch. Service adviser recommended towing no more than a pop for this vehicle. That changes things
Ask if they can install that stuff. Might cost some, but cheaper than an new truck.
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Probably the single most important tow factor of your vehicle is your TIRES. They are probably B or C rated tires. Also, what is the condition of them? Take my Super Duty for example. Because I opted for the 20" wheel package, my payload capacity was reduced due to the shorter sidewall of the tire. Even though they are E rated tires, they werent designed to hold the capacity of my truck had i equipped it with 17 or 18" wheels. When I swapped out my tires, I went to a E Rated Nitto tire with a 4050lb capacity per tire.

I would suggest going to NEW tires with at least a D or E rating.
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You state the tow capacity of your Exp is 9200#. Have you checked to confirm that is the maximum towing capacity of an Exp., and if so is your unit configured with ALL the equipment to achieve that maximum rating?
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Nope.

Tow vehicle-2012 expedition Max tow-9200
GVWR of expedition- 7300
-curb weight of expy- 5549
-weight of family-815 (me/wife 5kids)
-weight of gear/food-850

leaves you 86 pounds of tongue weight left before you overload your Exp.

Are you sure you have 850 lbs of gear that you must put INSIDE the tow vehicle? Move that stuff to inside the TT, near the axles if possible to reduce the overall impact to the tongue weight.

Your estimated tongue weight of a fully wet and loaded ot max on your TT is 7567*.12 = 908.

You need to have 908 lbs left in your GVWR after you subtract curb weight, hitch, and people.

You dind't post the fry weight of the TT. Take that number, add in propane and battery, any optionsadded not included in the dry weight, and the 850 lbs of gear/food, take 12% of that and see what your est tongue weight would be with the 850 moved to the trailer. You might still be OK. Post those numbers and we will help you check it.
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You state the tow capacity of your Exp is 9200#. Have you checked to confirm that is the maximum towing capacity of an Exp., and if so is your unit configured with ALL the equipment to achieve that maximum rating?
Agree.. check the tow configuration of your particular model. That "max tow" option can still vary by quite a bit in terms of useful load..

Glad you're asking up front and not trusting sales.. They WILL sell you anything. My dealer doesn't even bother licensing their drivers correctly.
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