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Old 08-18-2012, 11:58 PM   #1
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Champion gen set and how many use them

As noted in other posts, I'm "rescuing" an older (77) Ecell 20 footer. Don't have much money involved but everything works good. Have looked at all the generators out there and understand the bias toward Hondas BUT if I go that route I'll have more money in gens than I have in the entire rig! Looking at Champion 4KW units at Camping World for $300. I see the noise level is 68 db and the honda is lower BUT how many of you use a Champion and can you (or your neighbors) handle the"noise"? Let's get real, give me honest answers please. Thanks This forum is great.
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Old 08-19-2012, 09:08 AM   #2
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I can't comment on that Champion. But if noise and money are both concern you could consider a Boliy. The one I have is 3kw and is quiet. It also only weighs 70#. I've only used it for one weekend but it was awesome. And it will run my 15000 btu ACCOUNT with no problem. Cost is about 1/2 of the Honda or yamaha.
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Old 08-19-2012, 09:22 AM   #3
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As noted in other posts, I'm "rescuing" an older (77) Ecell 20 footer. Don't have much money involved but everything works good. Have looked at all the generators out there and understand the bias toward Hondas BUT if I go that route I'll have more money in gens than I have in the entire rig! Looking at Champion 4KW units at Camping World for $300. I see the noise level is 68 db and the honda is lower BUT how many of you use a Champion and can you (or your neighbors) handle the"noise"? Let's get real, give me honest answers please. Thanks This forum is great.
I understand they are made in China, engine and generater. Might be a problem getting repair parts if needed. Go look at Home Depot or Lowes; or on line; and see what they have as comparrision. I agree with you the Hondas are over priced for what you get.
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Ditto on what GuyWhoTris said...Look at the Boliy. It is not a Honda EU, but it is better than a Champion.

As a note, for every 3 dB gain in should level, the sound power lever doubles. So a sound increase of 6 dB, that is 4 times the sound power generated. The dB sound scale is a logarithmic scale.

I use two Honda EU2000i in parallel. Not loud and sips the fuel. Plus I can run only one if I do not have to run the A/C.

Also look at the distance the sound level is quoted. Typically, most are quoted at 17 feet.

As for Honda's costing more, you generally get what you pay for. Hondas have a large dealer and parts network and will be here for a number of more years. With some of the other,...good luck finding parts or a repair center.

But with any generator, it has to be used. Setting with fuel in it is not a good thing. They do require regular maintenance.

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Old 08-19-2012, 10:29 AM   #5
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I owned a Champion 4kw for five years to power a 28' Outback travel trailer...we ran it about 200/225 hours a year, primarily about 8-9 days a year at NASCAR and a few other camping trips throughout the year...very dirty environment.

It perfomed flawlessly and always started without a problem, it ran the Outback without a hitch, even with the a/c running and the girls inside doing their hair with the hair dryers blowing! I always changed oil after each trip and performed the scheduled maintenance, as well as keeping an ethanol fuel treatment in the gas tank.

I sold it a few months ago for $250 when we got the motorhome and I still regret getting rid of it!

Was it as quiet as a Honda, of course not and nor did I expect it to be; but it was only about $300 shipped to the house off of the internet. I would say it is a little more quiet than a lawn mower engine, but not much...at NASCAR, it was definitely not the loudest generator in the campground!

If I need another generator that size, I would not hesitate to buy another Champion 4kw...I would recommend the handle/wheel kit.
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As with most RVs, generators rot away from nonuse rather than wear out from over use. Don't think any genset will wear out under the normal use of the average camper EXCEPT for full timers. Parts therefore should not be a factor. Granted Champion looks like a hashed over contractor style genset but lots are being sold as CW is sold out right now near me. So someone is using them. Judicious use at times other than late at night or 7AM should negate most complaints about noise. Had a neighbor use a Kipor this last weekend in a very quiet campground in the Sierra Nevada mountains, used the damn thing all day long. His kids played movies in the tent trailer. Quieter genset than the Champion, yes, but still a PITA to listen to all day long. I figure on using it only for a/c and the wifes hair dryer, as I have no power problems with 2 T105 batteries in my rig. Went 5 days with lights, H2O pump, heater at night, etc and never got low on battery power alone. If I need the a/c then others need their a/c also so most are making as much noise with gensets and a/c units running and are inside, or so I'm guessing.
Even considering the Boliy (which I have just spent an hour researching) it is still 3 to 4 times the price of the Champ and when I look at what I have in my trailer it is over 50% of what I have in the entire rig. Hondas would be over 100% of what I have invested so far. Not a good pay back. IMO.
I'm begining to think that yes, all things equal the Hondas and Yammys are probably the quietest, top of the line so to speak but I would be able to get by with the Champ for what I need considering the amount I have invested in the rig. If I had a $40k rig then 2K for gensets would be OK.
I had an 86 Allegro MH years ago with a 4.0 Onan genset that was much more noisy than the Champion and there are still alot of those in use. How noisy are the big DP rigs with their 6 or 8K gensets? They are all over the campgrounds. Anyone have db readings on them?
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I have a 7kw Onan in my Allegro Bay, don't know the db rating, but I would say it is at least half as quiet as my old Champion, but it's also enclosed twice over...if I would've kept the travel trailer, I would've got the wheel/handle kit and built an enclosure, and still had under $400 in it.
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I have a Kipor but have yet to use it camping! Solar fills all of our needs, but that was by design with conservation being paramount, i.e. led lights, computer case fans, Espar diesel heater. The Only time we would need a generator would be for AC, and the TV/DVD uses 24W.
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On the first trip last week I found we could go 5 days on batteries even using the old furnace for heat. I like the espar heater a lot Maybe later on I'll convert if I can find a lower price on ebay or craigslist. Thinking of LEDS for lights. A/C, and HAIR DRYER and CURLING IRON are the only items I need a/c for (wifey always comes along :-) No microwave oven yet but I have been informed to look into it. It looks like a Champion for now with limited use especially in quiet campgrounds.
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I bought the 4000 and love it. Never a big noise problem. When a person hears a gen running it will Become the focal point of their hearing no matter what the db level so even the ultra quite at four times the price Honda's become equally as irritating. You can shield the gen well enough with little effort and material to dampen the sound to a level close to that of the high dollar gens. I would match the durability of the champion against that of the others any day and their customer service staff was amazing. The wheel and handle kit is a welcome addition that you will not regret purchasing. Just my 2 cents
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As noted in other posts, I'm "rescuing" an older (77) Ecell 20 footer. Don't have much money involved but everything works good. Have looked at all the generators out there and understand the bias toward Hondas BUT if I go that route I'll have more money in gens than I have in the entire rig! Looking at Champion 4KW units at Camping World for $300. I see the noise level is 68 db and the honda is lower BUT how many of you use a Champion and can you (or your neighbors) handle the"noise"? Let's get real, give me honest answers please. Thanks This forum is great.
I have the same gen that you are asking about and I am 100% satisfied. I bought it from a Champion authorized dealer on eBay with the wheel and handle kit included for around $325 shipped. I did overload it once and blowout a little circuit board inside it (don't remember exactly what it was called) and Champion's customer service sent me a new one free of charge with no hassle at all. I wouldn't hesitate to buy the same unit again if I was in need of another one.
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