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Old 04-18-2005, 10:18 AM   #1
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Well..after our trip this last weekend to Dumont, I've made up my mind that it's time to lose the 3.73's on my 2000 F250 after 80k of miles. But what is a better gearset- 4.10's, or 4.30's or even more?

We're getting our new SLC3905 in June, and as far as I can tell, we're going to be at about max on the weight...somewhere around 22k# with the toys, a little water, and a little gas. The 3.73's make me have to take overdrive out for most of the time if on an incline, where I've heard 4.10's would keep me going with overdrive @ about 60mph with plenty of pulling power. If I can do 65mph, I'm fine, but California has that blasted double nickel rule for "autos with trailers", so I try to keep around 60. The other issue is that with Banks PowerPack System, the exhaust sound is really noticeable around 1700rpm (really throtty) and reasonates off the front of the TH quite a bit. (Oh...I also have limited slip on the rearend- does that limit my choices?).

Any ideas? How much (money) and how much (gears)? I know there's plenty of help to be had here!!! Thanks much!
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Well..after our trip this last weekend to Dumont, I've made up my mind that it's time to lose the 3.73's on my 2000 F250 after 80k of miles. But what is a better gearset- 4.10's, or 4.30's or even more?

We're getting our new SLC3905 in June, and as far as I can tell, we're going to be at about max on the weight...somewhere around 22k# with the toys, a little water, and a little gas. The 3.73's make me have to take overdrive out for most of the time if on an incline, where I've heard 4.10's would keep me going with overdrive @ about 60mph with plenty of pulling power. If I can do 65mph, I'm fine, but California has that blasted double nickel rule for "autos with trailers", so I try to keep around 60. The other issue is that with Banks PowerPack System, the exhaust sound is really noticeable around 1700rpm (really throtty) and reasonates off the front of the TH quite a bit. (Oh...I also have limited slip on the rearend- does that limit my choices?).

Any ideas? How much (money) and how much (gears)? I know there's plenty of help to be had here!!! Thanks much!
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Old 04-18-2005, 08:17 PM   #3
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Several calculators on the internetgear calculator will show your choice of gearset and corresponding RPM, for both AT and manual shift. I have a Dodge CTD with 3.53 gears. I'm having 4.11 gears installed tomorrow. The RPM difference at 70MPH is 29x, it rises from 19xx to 22xx(can't remember the last digits now. Unlike a gasser, the fuel mileage does not suffer much. I don't plan on towing our new 5er that fast anyway, 60-65 will be the new "sweet spot" for the CTD. I suspect the 4.30 gears will be too much for interstate crusing.
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Ray:

Thanks much for the link! I'll check into it- it's been an issue for a while, and now with the heavier TH, I better do somthin'
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Here's another direction you may want to concider. If I were in your position I think I would put a over/under gear box such as Gear Venders or US Gear. My choice would be US Gear. I had a Gear Venders in a 91 Dodge W/5sp. It worked OK but had a mind of it's own at times. If you were under 15 MPH it would shift down to direct (it was an overdrive). One time I was going down the freeway at about 70, a wire broke and it shifted down with a bang. My reason for choosing the US Gear would be so you can pick high or low range and leave it there. You could use high range when not towing and low range with trailer. In your case you would want an under drive to give you something like a 410. I think the US Gear would be harder to learn to split shift. It shifts like an electic 2 speed axle in a truck.
If you think you might upgrade your truck you could remove it and install it in the new one.
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Thanks for the suggestion! I'll look on their website and see what it's all about.
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Old 04-19-2005, 06:18 PM   #7
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WWFAN, based upon your numbers, you will be overweight for your vehicle type. I am sure that given the right set of gears and the banks system, it will pull the trailer just fine. I am not sure about the trailer you are pulling, but I am guessing it is a toy hauler of some sort. The factory ratios available from ford were the 3:73 and 4:10 as an option for the F350 Dually, but it had a Dana axle versus the Sterling axle on the SRW trucks. The V-10 had the option of a 4:30 ratio. I would think that the 4:30 ratio would be a easier find as it was offered as a factory option. You might want to check with a transmission shop on labor costs as well. If your vehicle is 4x4 then double the cost. The amount of money you will spend on the gears and installation would make a nice down payment on a new F350 Dually that you could get with the TOW BOSS package that raises the GCVW to 26,000. Good luck with your search..
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gossamar:

You made me go to the Ford website to see what the new rigs do!! Are you a Ford Dealer/salesman?!

We're getting a new WW SLC3905, from the 1995 SLC3705 we have now, because of the ability to put a Jeep into it. I realize doing so will greatly limit my payload for other "stuff" (you know...things like water, food, and beer, but I intend to manage each trip knowing so. For example, when we go north up into the Barstow area, I always fill the fresh water tanks when I get to the Flying J- no sense hauling 1000lbs "up the hill". Then I've only got 20 miles to get to camp. I do have a call into my salesman @ GiantRV to get them to tell me what the configured weight will be.

There may be times on a hill (such as our Cajon Pass that I enjoy going up @ 65mph with our current setup) that my "ever-so-willing" better half will just have to drive the Jeep up- but the trips we take are generally only an hour away up in our high desert- NBD.

That's why I've been thinking about the gear change. I do have only a 2WD, so the cost is only a one-axle proposition. And I've heard great things about both the 4.10 and 4.30 gearsets. I WILL make a change, but to which, I hope to get further clarification.

26k is certainly tempting- in my biz, service factors are key (we call them "insurance"). My current TV is doing just fine with what we've got, and I would think there may be some weight savings (even going to a longer rig) between a 1995 and a 2006. As above, I do have an itch to have 26k GCWR with a new truck, but I only installed the Banks system 1 1/2 years ago, and need to work off some costs of doing so. There is no doubt that my TV will pull my load- just how far and how long is what I'm concerned about. If there are other things I could do to increase my GCWR, I'd love to hear about 'em!!
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No, not a dealer, just somebody that likes to keep current with the superduty line. Check out this website,
http://www.thedieselstop.com/
unless you already know about it, and go to the forum section. There is more information there about the ford diesels than you can read in a month. There also is an "ordering" forum that has information strictly for new orders. I see that you are in Arnold country. I believe there is a dealer in california that does SWEET deals on the superduty and is a site sponsor. Here is his email.

bwilliams@sunrisefordfleet.com

You could probably get into a new 2WD Dually with TOW BOSS for less than you think. They even might give you more than you think trading in. I also agree that safety is an important factor. How far it will tow the load and for how long are important issues. You don't want to think about the unthinkable, but if it was to happen and you are found to be over the GCVW, it would not be good. Unfortunately, the price difference between a F250 and F350 is usually under $1000.00 and they are almost mechanically identical except for the legal weight posted on the door jamb. Some insurance companies also do not insure vehicles over 1-ton status. State Farm is one of them. Happy searching...
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gossamar:

I know them well...their Body Mgr is a friend of a friend who got me started on thinking Banks.

One of my biggest concerns has been the new 6.0L...are all the bugs worked out of it? Back about the second year I was hearing alot of both stories, and the only thing I knew for a fact was my 7.3 was bulletproof. Heck...at 80k, it's still a baby!
Thanks for the help...you know...I might just entertain that- doesn't hurt to ask!
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As far as bugs worked out of the new 6.0, it comes and goes. Some of the early models had injector issues and some of the 03's had some computer bugs. The 04's made after 9/29/03 seem to be okay up until the spring when some tranny issues seemed to surface if I remember correctly. I have had mine "flashed" twice, once for excessive smoke on cold start-up and the second time for a goofy cruise control. The latest flash seems to have really cleared things up. I have also had the glow-plug bus bar relay replaced on both sides due to oil seepage. My diesel tech said that they were not installed properly from the factory as all of them were leaking. Some of the 05's have also had some tranny issues and they have issued a recall for these units. All and all, I think that things are improving. I am sure that Bobby Williams would be able to get you into a reliable unit....besides I hear that he is having a sale now....
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Boy, you've got me really thinking about it- in fact, I ran it by my Moski last night and she took the convo as just another thing that I want to spend money on.

Have you checked into any of the Banks' products for them? Any comments?

Thanx again!
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My 37 with the jeep onboard and loaded with fuel, half a tank of water, and plenty of beverages is right at 12,500 lbs on the trailer axles with a 3200 lb pin weight. That 39 ought to weigh 5-700 more I would guess. That old 250 will have to really grunt, not to mention the GVW. I saw a new Towboss the other day at a campout we had, really looked nice for a ford. And just think of all the extras you could haul, like firewood, supplies, extra supplies, and even more. You could stay out indefinitly.
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As Tom noted...you are going to be way over the GVWR and GAWR for a F250. The F350 Tow Boss is a real nice package.

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